MSNBC has just announced that it will drop its simulcast of the "Imus in the Morning" radio program, responding to growing outrage over the radio host's remarks about the Rutgers women's basketball team.
"This decision comes as a result of an ongoing review process, which initially included the announcement of a suspension. It also takes into account many conversations with our own employees," NBC news said in a statement.
Remember that MSNBC still only simulcasts Imus' show. Imus broadcasts from WFAN-AM in New York City and is syndicated nationally by Westwood One, both of which are managed by CBS Corp.
Not for nothing, but you know he's going to get fired right? That's just my opinion, but this is a path that is very hard to turn back from.
CBS Corp's Director called for his firing. Want to place bets on how long until he gets fired?
I would say probably in an hour...no later than noon tomorrow.
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I'm not a fan of Imus but this is just wrong. He's partly to blame though for running around apologizing everywhere. Everytime he was on a show he'd dig a bigger hole. Still, our freedom of speech has been severely compromised!
It will be during the suspension, easy way or them.
with hollander out the door soon
he wont be at WFAN for long.
besides its not like he burns
up the ratings around the country.
but then its not like he gets a
ZERO POINT ZERO.
HA HA HA HA.
Lets say after all this blows over in a year or so and after a million Imus apologies, Sirius/XM signs Imus. I am all for content but does Imus really have that much of an audience to bring over? I haven't listened to him for years. Does anybody here listen to him?
LOL sternfan73
If Martha Stewart has a channel, why not Imus? He shouldn't have been fire but I can't stop laughing at this old fuck. I just can't help it!
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I read somewhere today that Imus actually brings in the most ad revenue of all radio hosts, more than even Stern. This surprised me too, but hell, somebody must be listening. I say XM/Sirius sign him within a month or two. They'll probably meet with him over the break and tell him to start saying his sorries, kiss some ass, and then bring him over to SatRad as his popularity starts to arch back up.
Give it a week and half, the op-ed peices will not be about how evil Imus is, they will be talking about how he was a respected radio host for 30 years, and now with three words, the drive by media is shitting all over him. How things can get blown out of proportion. I don't even know what a nappy headed ho is, it just sounds slangy, and Jackson is using it to get his face in the news.
Personally I don't care either way... but we all know this guy can still draw an audience, and I hope he gets the axe from CBS, because he will likely give a good boost to whatever SATrad guy gets him. They can probably get him on discount too.
This is ridiculous. But it just goes to show how quickly a personality can be destroyed by a stray remark.
IMUS doesn't deserve this, at least not for that one remark.
He has been Fuhrmanized.
Hopefully, he'll show up on XM where I would surely listen to him some. Also hopefully, not for hundreds of millions of dollars. While the reaction has been overdone, I suspect his audience was neither surprised nor offended by it.
Not to justify the remark -- but he clearly meant it, not in a mean-spirited sense, but in a humorous one. That's no worse than Ludicrous or Snoop using similar language for entertainmet purposes.
good thing he did not say nigger he would be up for a 25 year sentence
People. do your homework. This wasn't the first remark.
what EVERY one is missing here. Many songs use much worse name calling, Many people have said much worse, Sharpton has used "Cracker",.... whats missed is that these comments by many other were not directed to someone who is identifiable. The Womans Rutgers basketball team is very identifiable.
However, the dropping of the simulcast over a poor, ill thought out coment is insanity. Right Craker?
The thing about Imus is that although Stern always had more listeners when they competed against each other on their drive time morning slots- Imus could command far more in advertising dollars because of the demographics of Imus's audience. The show is a cash cow for WFAN in New York. Or was.......
Frankly, I think this is getting far too overblown. A lot of sermons from a lot of people who live in glass houses.
MSNBC didn't really have any other choice. When advertisers start taking their money away from your network, the only thing left to do was throw Imus under the bus.
I do think the comment was stupid and thoughtless, and he deserved being called out on it. He could have made it out alive but only if MSNBC had the financial support to keep it.
The free market won out. It will support what it wants and will eliminate what it won't. In this case, the advertising market used it's speech and left MSNBC having to make the tough, and probably only, decision.
Don't know if he will end up on XM/Sirius one day or not. I doubt they have the money to do it right now, but I've heard of bigger surprises.
"People. do your homework. This wasn't the first remark."
umm and sharpton and jessie jackson sure have a few under their belt too but seem to keep their jobs...huh?
Rush has a few too...remember those?
Is it just me, or does that picture which accompanies this post really resemble the crypt keeper?
Go ahead, Sternfucker73, just keep right on drinkin' the Kool Aid, and kissing your boy's ass.
O&A's ratings have absolutely nothing to do with this, so don't destract the issue. We're talking about Imus here. Now as for Imus and MSNBC dropping him...it's a fucking disgrace. makes me ashamed to say I'mAmerican when someone can say 3 little words and this type of thing can happen because he's white, but if he's black, nothing would happen at all. After this is all over, we'll probably have watered down radio, and all because a few people get offended. and these people only heard the words he said, not the show itself. Blacks don't typically listen to Imus. I'm sure there are some who do, but probably less than Steve Harvey let's say. but oh, Steve knows what's good in the funny department. What a fucking idiot.
after watching msnbc this afternoon
it would seem that it was the final
straw after many incodents.
Problem is, no one's ever been able to figure out what Sharpton and Jackson actually DO, so they can't get fired from it. Well, until Sharpton's silly radio job.
Cue the Jackie Laugh...
:lol:
I will never listen to MSNBC AGAIN!
One standard or no standard. No race based speech codes can exist in a truly free society.
sternfan73:
O&A get a 0.0 in Las Vegas.
Stern has a 0.0 in every market in the US - BECAUSE HE'S NOT ON THE RADIO. The only people he's talking to have already drank the kool-aid. Meanwhile, O&A have a larger listening audience on XM alone, then add in 20+ markets, and ol' Hoo-Hoo is getting demolished. But don't expect Mel to admit that.
Anyway, on-topic:
Imus doesn't deserve any of this bull. If Sharpton should target anyone, it should be the influential rappers in his own community. Sure, he may do it on some radio show nobody listens to, but has he tried to get 50 Cent thrown off his label for racist remarks in his raps? All Sharpton wants is the media spotlight on him, even if it means ruining innocent people's careers in the process.
did i hit a nerve.
libb
its like this lets say i'm imus
and o/a were the basketball team
and i had no point and called anthony
crater face you would be upset also
and i would not be funny and get fired.
now i'm imus and o/a is the basketball
team and i make a funny point about
o/a sucking with a ZERO POINT ZERO
rating in chicago and las vegas.
i get to keep my job and still funny.
so if imus had done the right thing
he would still be on MSNBC.
Opie and Anthony have 700k listeners per show XM and 1 million per show Free FM. Imus is bigger than them by a half million. He will land somewhere just not for the 10 mil he is pulling now.
RE: Libb
Wow, talk about drinking the kool-aid.
as a black male I paid little attention to what Imus said as well as many of my friends. He has an national audience and some big compananies advertise on his show. He says things that appeal to his audience. I tried to listen to him, but I was not impressed. When he makes fun of those equally powerful it can be funny but when he picks at those who do not have the same platform, he is a bully.
As for those who are trying to change to focus from Imus to Jackson and Sharton, what bulshit. This is like trying to make the defendant the victim. Eventhough I do not aways agree with them at all times I do know they have worked to stop actions against those who cannot defend themselves.
Others have said that this was Imus first time saying something like this..wrong. Howard Stern and other who have worked around Imus have said he has a long history of making on and off the air remakes of this type.
Am I offended about what he said no, I am not an hard working college basketball player part of a team that finish second in the nation after losing the first game of year by 40 points.
Sternfan73
If you're going to post here at least stay on the topic of the discussion and stop turning this into an O&A/Stern debate. Please. You aren't winning any points. People who like each of these shows aren't going to like the other no matter how many points you try to make. People have already made their decisions about which show they like and you aren't gonna change it so stop trying! Now do you have anything to say about Don Imus? If not, get your ass back over to SFN.
pness, I know there are many but if you are referring to what Rush said about Donovan McNabb, I will say as an eagles fan he said nothing wrong. The media only proved his point by what they did to Rush.
Just another example of how the minority opinion can spoil it for the majority opinion. We can't say the pledge allegiance in schools because a few folks got made. We can't even watch the super bowl half time show anymore because the network got a few phone calls.
And to quote a famous loud mouth, "You Knew..... What you were doing."
"O&A get a 0.0 in Las Vegas.nStern has a 0.0 in every market in the US - BECAUSE HE'S NOT ON THE RADIO. The only people he's talking to have already drank the kool-aid. "
LOL nice to quote O&A on a very failed joke they made a few days ago..STERN HAS 0.0 because he is not A SELL OUT who went back to regular radio. wait i have a 0.0 too..so does sternfan....great argument Opie....lol
"Meanwhile, O&A have a larger listening audience on XM alone, then add in 20+ markets, and ol' Hoo-Hoo is getting demolished. But don't expect Mel to admit that"
Umm sure they do, come on now even the most devout pets won't even claim this. 20 markets with only 2 i have ever seen report above a 2.2 share...come on now lets not get carried away please...he was not even beating imus in new york
Hey sternfan73,
LAS VEGAS 18-34 3.2 share
Stupid. Read first. Stop just listening to what your hero says and believing it. Sad.
Stern lied. They don't have a 0.0 in Vegas. Its a 2.something and they started at Chi-Town taking over for Rover who had a 0.0, and have been going up ever since (not like they could get worse, right?) Still shitty, but why does Howard have to lie?
Why does Stern have to be a lying hack?
Anywho, I think Don Imus should make up for his racially insensitive remarks by making a sizable donation to the Jane Goodall foundation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Goodall
WF
Why does Stern have to be a lying hack?
Anywho, I think Don Imus should make up for his racially insensitive remarks by making a sizable donation to the Jane Goodall foundation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Goodall
WF
I can't wait to see CBS try to not fire that moldy old corpse. Sadly (well, not really sadly), they have absolutely no one to replace him...
I'm sooooooo glad I don't listen to testicle radio anymore.
"umm and sharpton and jessie jackson sure have a few under their belt too but seem to keep their jobs...huh?"
I(seriously) don't even know what their jobs are??? Do you?
"Rush has a few too...remember those?"
remember he got fired from ESPN?
a c c o u n t a b i l y.
Stop trying to defend someone by bringing up other people who, "OMG DID IT TOO!!!!!!". That's not a defence. If x and y are shitheads to you for doing something then its not okay for z to do also. period.
And its not a black/white thing. Isiah Washington and Tim Hardaway are both black men who have been fried and suspended and/or fired for the dumb shit that they've said recently. Stop trying to make Imus a martyr. He's a fucking moron.
If you want to be a comedian, you better fucking learn how to be funny. Love or hate O&A; Love or hate Howard Stern. At least we know they aren't doing it wrong. Nick Dipallo makes more racist commments than anyone around and he's not vilified. Stop calling out Chappelle or Chris Rock or [insert any black person here]. You sound silly.
"STERN HAS 0.0 because he is not A SELL OUT"
Man, I'd love to make off with half a billion dollars doing a 4 hour a day, 4 day a week job and NOT be considered a sellout. That would be tits on glass.
"4 hour a day, 4 day a week "
lol 4 days a week pisses me off too but its hardly 4 hrs a day. he at least stays for 5+
sell out is going back to testicle radio after saying you would never go back to free fm, its free because it sucks...remember that?
btw Schimshamity no one said its ok because other people did it, we were pointing out the inconsistant application of the "outrage" vs other people who have done alot worse.
when you have an entire race that has no problem calling people hoe's and other black terms then you have no right to then have a problem when a white person says it.
its either all wrong or all right.
fire all these rappers, publish no more albums with the word hoe or nigger in it. lets be consistant and respect the black community.
LLLOOOLLL
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I wonder how imus feels about the merger?
"its either all wrong or all right."
Well that comment is certainly all wrong. Do you understand the definition of satire? of entertainment? do you not understand the fact that imus wasn't being satirical(the very distintion between imus' comments vs. ones that O&A/Stern make)?
While we're at it, lets get rid of all movies with violence and sex in them because they promote violence and sex. If Brad Pitt can do it, why can't I?
"when you have an entire race that has no problem calling people hoe's and other black terms then you have no right to then have a problem when a white person says it."
Oh really? which race is that? If a woman has money for sex/fame/anything other than genuine feeling, what would you call her? Do you black people call their mom/grandmom/aunts/wives/etc etc "hoes"? I won't even get into the difference between "nigga"(which now can literally can mean just about anybody in context, good or bad) and "nigger"(which is only associated with one select type of person) because its obvious you just don't get it.
"btw Schimshamity no one said its ok because other people did it, we were pointing out the inconsistant application of the "outrage" vs other people who have done alot worse."
Oh really? like who? Who? Who isn't vilified for things they say in a public paid forum?
Please stop while you're waaaaaaay behind.
Schimshamity what 1 type of person does the n word discribe. Sure it might be considered one way but realistically the N word could be said to anyone in any ethnic group and be totally justifies. We could call Muhmia Abu Jamal the N word just as easily as Jeffrey Damher (sp?) or Sadam Hussien, because the word, by definition means murderer or thief. I am not a user of the word but it is sad that any word can be misconstrued or be made to mean anything nowadys because a lot of people do not remember the real meaning. look at the word "literally" people mis use it all the time because they just do not care to understand.
>>Oh really? like who? Who? Who isn't vilified for things they say in a public paid forum?>>
Well, for starters, people like Sharpton. If he had been properly punished for his actions, he wouldn't still be able to call himself 'Reverend'.
He's a disgrace, as well as most of the others involved in this witch hunt.
I am still waiting for Al Sharptons apologies to the Duke Lacrosse players. If you happen to do so, please hope that your apology will be accepted, as you people never accepted Imus' many apologies. perfect timing for this Duke case to be dropped. We can see if Sharpton really practices what he spews.
Properly punished how, Pete? What is the proper punishment for Sharpie's comments? Getting fired maybe? You think its because he's black he hasn't been yet? How do you explain the black people who do(which happens all the time; ask "Star" from star and buckwild) get fired?
I agree with Sternfan73, O&A and Imus are both connected. First, neither has any ratings to speek of. Two, they've both now been fired (Imus soon!) for trying to be funny, but failing. Three, substandard XM will have bailed them both out (again, Imus soon!). AND FOUR, Stern will crush their bones into dust!
And 700 listeners on XM? PLEASE! Stern average 6 million a day (just shy of half the Sirius subscribership plus an average of one civilian wife/child/brother friend whatever) When Opie and Anthony went on XM, they cost $1/month extra, and guess what, only 45k people signed up.
And stop whining about this thread evolving into a Stern/O&A debate, that's what threads are for, conversing. Conversations evolve, don't be retentive.
Schimshamity said; "when you have an entire race that has no problem calling people hoe's and other black terms then you have no right to then have a problem when a white person says it."
Oh really? which race is that? If a woman has money for sex/fame/anything other than genuine feeling, what would you call her? Do you black people call their mom/grandmom/aunts/wives/etc etc "hoes"? I won't even get into the difference between "nigga"(which now can literally can mean just about anybody in context, good or bad) and "nigger"(which is only associated with one select type of person) because its obvious you just don't get it.
Schimshamity, do you honestly believe that all these black "artists" say these things for the sake of "satire" or "entertainment"?
I personally know two people that listen to nothing but rap music, and let me tell you that there are several instances that they aren't doing it for satire or entertainment at all. Some of it is downright disgusting. So it is false to presume it is all done in the name of "satire". Pness has a valid point.
Back on topic. Imus needs to be punished, just as anybody, regardless of race, should be punished.
>> Properly punished how, Pete? What is the proper punishment for Sharpie's comments? Getting fired maybe? You think its because he's black he hasn't been yet? >>
I don't recall ANY news story reporting on Al Sharpton being prevented from what he's been doing for over 20 years now - instigating the black community and pouring gasoline on the flames of race tensions in this country.
It's this country's immense guilt over slavery that lets Sharpton, Jackson et al run wild & stick their nose in anything they please. Reverend Al claims to be an advocate for those victimized by intolerance, but at the same time displays the same sort of ignorant contempt that he's supposedly fighting against. Look up 'hypocrite' in the dictionary and undoubtdly you'd see a picture of Al Sharpton staring you back in the face.
I can't devise a punishment for an individual with seemingly no real position of any stature - what does he do, exactly? Who does he collect a check from? A church? What church is putting up with his behavior?
You'll never get an argument from me that Imus's comments were inappropriate, but for god's sake let's keep everything in perspective. Soldiers are fighting & dying in Iraq every day, and the pussification of their country back home must be making them cringe with embarrassment.
This is a morning radio host goofing on a women's athletic team, nothing more. He's willing to apologize, and so that should be THE END of this nonsense.
>> And stop whining about this thread evolving into a Stern/O&A debate, that's what threads are for, conversing. Conversations evolve, don't be retentive. >>
Well considering the post has nothing to do with either, it makes the site look like a collection of juvenile fan boys who can't hold a discussion without resorting to name-calling...
"sell out is going back to testicle radio "
It wasn't funny the first time, asshead.
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Anyhow, we are getting away from the real issue and that is that blacks are ruining America with their hip-hop music & overly sensative emotional states.
We should all band together and let blacks know that they should be more tolerant towards the free speech of others. I suggest we do this by burning lower-case "t"s ('t' for tolerance) in their yards.
Because of dumbass Obama's comments regarding this situation, I am withdrawing my support for him.
xoxo,
Westfall
"what does he do, exactly?"
exactly my point. I have no idea what he does either.
For the record, he didn't get Imus fired. Companies dropping his show(and taking their cash with them), got him fired.
>> For the record, he didn't get Imus fired. Companies dropping his show(and taking their cash with them), got him fired. >>
I don't buy the fact that sponsors would have done that on their own. The more attention drawn to the issue by people like Sharpton, the more pressure there was for companies to withdraw their sponsorship.
And for what reason, exactly - fear of a boycott? Please. Cite me an example of when that ever worked.
"And for what reason, exactly - fear of a boycott? Please. Cite me an example of when that ever worked.
"
hahaha. I hope you're kidding. I'll chalk that one up as a brain fart.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_Bus_Boycott
It was just announced on M+MD. He will not be on the air Friday. wonder if that its as it prior to the radiothon????
BREAKING NEWS!!! CBS Fires Don Imus!
WOW now i stand by my comments that if he said nigger they would have gave him 25 years in jail
WOW, there better not be a single black person who says anything about any other race because it will be a nightmare for them.
Inside radio reporting he is......Out a here!
O&A are gonna be on fire tommorrow!!!
O&A are gonna be on Fire tomorrow, you bet your ass!!! This is a show not to miss!!!! Well, O&A fans, lets enjoy them while we can. They're probably up next on Al Sharpton's big ole chopping block. So very very sad.
Westfall what did Obama say exactly. I haven't heard anything... well except he is trying to get the black vote for being black when he is only half black. Then again he is more black than tiger woods.
Yeah, O&A are always on fire when talking about other radio shows.
Westfall what did Obama say exactly. I haven't heard anything... well except he is trying to get the black vote for being black when he is only half black. Then again he is more black than tiger woods.
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I've actually been an Obama fan--even Warren Buffett likes him, but Obama called for Imus' firing. I can't support him now. I now support Juliani or perhaps Romney if he will go back to being pro-choice.
WF
Westfall. Thanks
>> hahaha. I hope you're kidding. I'll chalk that one up as a brain fart. >>
I'm talking about major corporations, dummy. That's like everyone in town boycotting the ONE local pizza place and switching to tacos - of COURSE it's going to tank - their clientèle is too small.
OTOH, does anyone think that megacorp CBS Radio would somehow fold up shop if Al Sharpton and his followers decided to stop listening?
Please.
my bad for not reading your mind. Just a tip though... don't ask stupid questions if you don't want equally stupid answers.
Now... back to your addendum to your original question.
yes, still. try googling "successful boycotts", since any answer I give is obviously wrong.
"OTOH, does anyone think that megacorp CBS Radio would somehow fold up shop if Al Sharpton and his followers decided to stop listening?"
No. They fired him because the advertisers folded up shop and took their money elsewhere. The only thing that Sharpie and his mouth have to do with his firing is, Imus was stupid enough to go on his show. He'd still have a job had he gone on Oprah. I'm 10000% sure of that.
Fine, I guess I have to be ultra-specific for ol' Larry Literal here...
Cite me an example of a *consumer* boycott of a media outlet and/or entertainment entity that actually worked. If Imus still puts on an entertaining show and people still listen, nothing Sharpton did would have prevented the show from continuing. Look at baseball as an example - labor strikes, steroids, ticket prices through the roof - have any of these prevented MLB from achieving record numbers in attendance? People whine every year about boycotting the games, but they still manage to draw millions of rabid fans each and every single season.
The sponsors got spooked and wanted to disassociate themselves from the whole mess. Imus had obviously made distasteful remarks in the past, but because Sharpton swooped in and threatened to 'protest', corporations like Proctor & Gamble withdrew their money. What was stopping the advertisers from pulling out all the OTHER times Imus had said something offensive?
If the sponsors had stood their ground, was Sharpton honestly going to put a significant dent in their collective wallets? Would these protests span so far & wide as to raise society's eyebrows? The offense would have to be FAR more serious for enough people to sit up and take notice, IMO. A steep fine, a long suspension, sensitivity training, etc - any one of these would have been more appropriate for the offense.
I keep reading you scream about Imus being accountable for his actions, but IMO there's just a tad more than 2 degrees of culpability. Sharpton immediately called for him to be fired, and the networks cow towed. Yet *somehow* Reverend Al continues to maintain an audience for his own brand of hate speech, and somehow continues to draw an income for it all these years.
Just a disgusting display of hypocrisy & bloodlust by an overly sensitive mass media.
>>The only thing that Sharpie and his mouth have to do with his firing is, Imus was stupid enough to go on his show. He'd still have a job had he gone on Oprah. I'm 10000% sure of that. >>
What on earth are you talking about?
If Sharpton *didn't* get Imus on his show, everything would have been okay? That's ludicrous - if anything, it would have given Sharpton even MORE ammunition to get him kicked off the air.
Sorry for not giving you the answer you were looking for someone to give you. You asked the question and I answered it. you obviously didn't google what I told you to or you'd find many examples of CONSUMER boycotts.
"If Sharpton *didn't* get Imus on his show, everything would have been okay? That's ludicrous - if anything, it would have given Sharpton even MORE ammunition to get him kicked off the air."
Not sure if you know this but Sharpton has threatened to do many things(up to and including threatening to boycott the Boondocks Tv Show) and nothing has come of it. Usually, he just flaps his gums and people say, "heh. look at Sharpie flapping his gums again". This time, Imus gave him a forum to destroy him publicly and directly to his face, and that's exactly what he did.
If you don't get the fact that Sharpie didn't get Imus fired by now, then I don't know how many different ways I can explain it.
"Yet *somehow* Reverend Al continues to maintain an audience for his own brand of hate speech, and somehow continues to draw an income for it all these years."
So does Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and the rest of their ilk. How do you think that happens? I know its different because they're not black but if you look at it honestly, its not.
sidenote: Stealing O&A's(larry literal) material is just as lame as people quoting stern.
Try to using objective thinking for a change. You let your emotions cloud rational/critical thinking. I know it burns you to agree with anything I say, but if you stop your estrogen from flowing for a second, you'll actually hear what I'm saying instead of instinctively reacting negatively.
Well,
First, in an attempt at full disclosure, I am a Stern fan, and I hate O&A.
With that being said, anyone who doesn't see what is happening to Imus as complete bullshit is a retard. CBS should of, NO DOUBT, backed him up, even if they were going to take a small bottom line hit.
By caving in, even once, to pressure groups, you are really leaving the door open for them to come down on you every time something is said on a show that "they" (or as Imus would say; "those people") don't like.
I wouldn't want to work for those pussies at CBS right now.
Also, to the guy that said Imus' show made more money than any show here are the #'s:
Imus in the Morning grossed $15 million last year.
The Howard Stern Show billed out $48 million the year he left KROQ.
KROQ mornings last year billed 19.5 million.
So, no...Imus' show did not do huge business, but it still is crap what they did to him.