Interoperable Sirius XM Radios to arrive in less than 9 months - Orbitcast

Interoperable Sirius XM Radios to arrive in less than 9 months

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XM and Sirius MergerSirius XM Radio Inc. CEO Mel Karmazin told investors during yesterday's conference call that interoperable radios will be available ahead of the nine-month deadline mandated by the FCC.

"We have an FCC deadline," said Karmazin. "You should assume that we will be a lot closer, a lot faster in that deadline."

"We think today an interoperable radio is something that we would like to see at retail," he added. "So you should assume that will be in a number of months sooner than we committed to the FCC."

But, will we see these radios in stores before the Holiday season? Most likely not, Mel Karmazin told Orbitcast in an interview today.

Karmazin did say that we can expect to see interoperable radios in the first quarter of next year, and can also expect see these new devices make their debut at CES 2009. Karmazin described the device as "very cool," but to expect the device to be in stores this fall would be unrealistic.

Remember, there's a difference between interoperable radios and the a la carte radios/packages. Karmazin confirmed on yesterday's call that "an a la carte radio will hit the stores this fall," and told Orbitcast that specific decisions on the programming packages are mere weeks away.

So XM subscribers who want the "best of" Sirius, and vice versa (like Howard Stern and MLB, for instance), won't have to wait long before new programming is within reach.

UPDATE: Sirius SVP of Communications Patrick Reilly made a good point to FMQB about the whole interoperability thing. Sirius-XM did originally promise to deliver interoperable radios within one-year of closing the merger, so the 9-month schedule is already an accelerated one.

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Great work Ryan. Love it!

Love it. I will be online to buy both.

Yes, but what will the "best of " consist of?

And are you going to post your full interview with Mr. Mel?

GREAT....JUST IN TIME FOR THE INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS TO SLEAL OUR SHARES THAT ARE UTTERLY VALUELESS... IS THERE EVER GOING TO BE AN UP DAY WITH THIS STOCK!

IM SO UPSET ABOUT THIS

GREAT....JUST IN TIME FOR THE INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS TO SLEAL OUR SHARES THAT ARE UTTERLY VALUELESS... IS THERE EVER GOING TO BE AN UP DAY WITH THIS STOCK!

IM SO UPSET ABOUT THIS

I find the idea of an FCC imposed deadline funny after they took more than their sweet time with the merger. Too bad they can't work as fast as Sirius-XM. Also, props to Sirius-XM for pushing through all of the corrupt attempts to make them fail.

I've been waiting for everything to get sorted out before I buy the service, so once Sirius-XM makes the new radios, they'll have at least one new customer.

Great blog, btw.

If there's no difference between the Interoperable radios and the a-la-carte ones, can someone please explain what the difference is?

great... so my SkyFi 2 will be obsolete? If they cut one damn channel I am getting a Slacker!

One question - Why would anybody buy an a la carte radio if it is not inter operable?

The basic a la carte radios will not sell at all, or only an idiot would buy them if they are not inter operable.

These companies have walked away from other FCC mandates with a wink and a nod in the past. Why does anyone believe this guy when he's setting these unenforced goals?

My New Slogn

GO TO HELL MEL!

"If there's no difference between the Interoperable radios and the a-la-carte ones, can someone please explain what the difference is?"

An XM a-la-carte radio only lets you pick XM channels (plus the 11 'Select Sirius' channels that will be broadcast on XM's satellites), and likewise for Sirius. They're basically just like our current radios, but with the added ability to pick your own channel lineup.

Interoperable radios will work with both systems, so they'll get all of XM *and* Sirius programming.

"will we see these radios in stores before the Holiday season? Most likely not, Mel Karmazin"

Pump and Dump, nothing but typical Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin "merge" MONOPOLY scheme.

The money will be long gone before "these radios" come to retail. It's OVER.

I'll definitely be posting the full interview. It was a long conversation and I'm still going through it and assembling all the pieces. There's some very very indepth information that I think Orbitcast readers will find interesting.

So, no interoperable radio for Christmas, but if it's out by first quarter of next year, then the wife will know what to get me for my birthday. :) Provided they don't screw up the actual content between now and then, I'm looking forward to getting my hands on one or two of these. Hopefully, it will be a portable unit as well...One for the car, one for the house/wearable use.

down 6% today so far.... GO TO HELL MEL

Wow.....I've had a misunderstanding about this merger. I thought with these ala carte radios I thought I could mix and match my 50 channels between Sirius & XM and I'd be able to trim my Sat Radio bill down from $25.90/month to $6.99/month just for the channels I needed. Anyone know if I'll be able to do that mix & matching of 50 channels for $6.99 when the interoperable radio comes out? If not, this isn't saving me the money that I thought it would.

If that's the case, I'm not sure how long they'll be able to provide ala carte pricing, since it doesn't sound like people are going to be able to choose programming from both services for that $6.99/month. I thought that was going to be the real selling point of ala carte radios. The ability to pick a total of 50 channels between the 2 services for $6.99.

what about o and a ryan

Well, with Jon Zellner in charge of music now, the new interoperable radio would be side by side with the slacker portable for me. I can get all the sports and talk radio plus great music.

In 9 Months? We'll I hope the interoperable radios are interoperable with AM/FM because this pice of crap company is headed for the crapper. About to close at a new multi-year low. Already kissed the existing 2 week low.

PLease don't say its the market, because the rest of the market is SOARING!!!!!!!

Can't understand why siri stock keeps going down? Who's going to care about interoperable anything when their stock keeps going down, down?? @ $ 1.31 per share. That's just ridiculous. How low will it go?

Is this a SatRad blog or The Wall Street Journal? All this stock talk is getting ridiculous!

Sirius should give the plans to the Chinese. They would have one ready for distribution in only three weeks. The design has been completed for the last couple of years. Mel said that he has one on his desk. It doesn't take six months to get it into production.

Ranger,
The investors are the ones that have made all of this possible. No investment = No Satrad. As an investor I can tell you that without our money satrad would have never happened. Most posters are up their asses in Sirius stock and want to make sure that their invested is not simply pie in the sky. I like the product and listen to satrad, but I'm not funding a charity.

But its too late, too late, too late
Too late for Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin
Yes its too late, too late, too late
Too late for Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin

Wall Street boys are crazy as Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin's bitches go hand in hand
With a pocket full of ignorance, their entrance is full of delusions of grandeur
The fear, desperation and dreams stands before they all bail
As the "merge" MONOPOLY scheme start to fail

But its too late, too late, too late
Too late for Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin
Yes its too late, too late, its too late
Too late for Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin

Standing by the crapper aware of Sirius and Xm too
Are the subscribers and the stock holders theyre waiting for their cue
And theres a man named Mel over there he's bull shiting the tools
But when it comes to playing life the blind, ignorant satradio fanboys always plays the fools

But its too late, too late, its too late
Too late for Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin
Its too late, its too late, too late
Too late for Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin

Is it all too late
Much too late
Cant you see its all too late
Its too late

But its too late, too late, its too late
Too late for Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin
Its too late, its too late, too late
Too late for Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin

As a long time Sirius suporter and investor, I have sold have my 100,000 shares today at $1.31 with the intention to repurchase them on-sale at $1.00 in a few weeks. I have the strong feeling many longs and institutions are of this this mentality.

On July 2, 2007, Mel Karmazin, in an exclusive interview with TWICE stated:

Karmazin : The opportunity exists for us to commercially (emphasis added) market an interoperable radio. Right now we have developed it. There's one in my office right now, which is an interoperable radio, which is a receiver that in essence has an XM component and a Sirius component sort of Velcro-ed together.
http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/interoperable-radios-are-they-already-out-there.html

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However, a unified receiver that can receive programming from both networks would allow subscribers to listen to the entire range of channels. Interoperable Technologies, a joint venture of both companies, was formed in 2003 and announced such a receiver in 2006. Mel Karmazin has confirmed the existence and operation of the radio, "We have one. It's in my office."

How long are subscribers, investors, and the FCC allow Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin to lie? Since 2003 they have both been working on this radio, they claim they have had the radio since 2006, used this information as reason for "merge" MONOPOLY scheme. The "merge" scheme has been waiting for approval for 500+ days, yet consumers will have to wait another 9 months? Automotive consumers are going to have to wait 3 years for interoperable and ala chart radios. Also where is the synergy in keep both incompatible satellite systems running and maintained (at huge expense) making the costly need for interoperable radios in the first place?

Sirius is going to be long gone by then. No wonder why the Automakers are upgrading to HD Radio's for their fleets.

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HD Digital Radio. It's here. It's local. It's free. DISCOVER IT!
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The market is up over 300 today but Sirius is down by 9...WTF??????
WHAT'S IT GONNA TAKE?????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know about selling now in hope of buying it back for 1.00 in a month. In order to get around the capital gains taxing requirement you cannot buy it back with 30 days or else it will be considered a wash sale if you were looking to claim a loss. That's a long time with tis stock given its new structure. The movements in this stock have been nothing short of drastic every day. I feel that we are close to bottom than a top. It doesn't take that many dime losses to eat up $1.31 although I don't see bankruptcy with 19 million subs. Management has to have something cooking in the form of a significant announcement worthy of moving the price. At the current price a media company could come in and scoop up the whole satrad gig dirt cheap. Having said all this, I again say that something big is on its way very soon.

Paul, i hope you are right, but so far, not even GOOD news moves this stock upward. It's like it is cursed or something. Just pathetic. And hey, @ Ranger, the Orbitcast forum is for all things satellite radio which includes INVESTOR relations, so get over it!!!!!!!!!

BS BS BS BS BS AND MORE BS.

Those Radios have been made and sold for years.

That in time will come out just call and tell them you want XM on your Sirius radio and record the call for proof that they will not turn it on for you.

Let's see.... 11 Billion of market cap lost and we're talking about radios and what Mel said.

Paul said
Sirius should give the plans to the Chinese. They would have one ready for distribution in only three weeks. The design has been completed for the last couple of years. Mel said that he has one on his desk. It doesn't take six months to get it into production.

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Paul you are right but Mel only talks about the one on his desk that was stuck together he does not talk about the one that has been made and sold for years.

It took them little time to put two radios that share much of the same circuits into ic's.
I laugh when Sirius makes like it is a big deal making a Sirius/XM radio just look at other far more complex devices like GPS ect Making this radio was nothing but adding to the thips.

The other joke is the ala carte radios if you want playboy you have to ask for it and they can make it so that you do not get Howard if you do not want him.
Sounds like they have had have ala carte from the start to me.

Are the Lies ever going to stop? Were are the smart people that see through the lies and demand to be told the truth.

I'm glad to hear that interop radios are on their way, but disappointed to hear that they're still 9mo out.

If they'd been able to announce a whole line of units for Christmas, that would have seriously given people to cheer about. Instead, we're going to have tons of market confusion over the next few months.

Questions like "why can't I get this XM channel on the satellite radio in my new car? I thought they were the same now?" are going to ruin a lot of potential new subscriptions. They should have had these radios ready to go to market so that the day after the merger, people could go get one. The same goes with the programming. Do you think they don't already know what they're going to cut, keep, and simulcast? Why the delay? All this waiting around can't be good for business.

Likewise, I doubt that Mel is going to spring a surprise on everyone and say "Gee, we got it done faster than we thought!" That would likewise brand him either a liar or an incompetent.

I've been a support of satellite radio since its inception, and I really want to see it succeed, but you have to wonder why the heck Mel & co aren't thinking at least a year ahead in all this. Reacting to the situation isn't good enough. You have to anticipate the next move so that you're there, ready to execute, when the time comes.

"We think today an interoperable radio is something that we would like to see at retail," he added. "So you should assume that will be in a number of months sooner than we committed to the FCC."

So mel thinks it is something he would like to see??

Look out for wording like we have made the first Sirius/XM interoperable Radio for sale. Trasnslation the first one to have the Sirius and XM logo on it.

I hate to admit it, but I don't think that we have been getting the straigt poop on the interoperable radio. The whole satrad transmission bandwidth that both both companies bid on isn't so wide that either antenna would not be able to pick up either's signal. That only leaves the decoding of the signal to deal with and that is mostly done with software. Maybe the delay is to clean out the store shelves of all the single carrier radios. Whatever the reason, the radio is ready to go now. Like one poster said, it only needs the XM-Sirius name.

By feeding each other's signal the current radios could easily have the other company's programming placed on top of the first company's programming. Sirius would be channels 1-125 and XM 226-250. There is no reason why the current radios can't carry more channels. The problem that this raises is the 8% of 250 versus 125 that are being given away

I hate to admit it, but I don't think that we have been getting the straigt poop on the interoperable radio. The whole satrad transmission bandwidth that both both companies bid on isn't so wide that either antenna would not be able to pick up either's signal. That only leaves the decoding of the signal to deal with and that is mostly done with software. Maybe the delay is to clean out the store shelves of all the single carrier radios. Whatever the reason, the radio is ready to go now. Like one poster said, it only needs the XM-Sirius name.

By feeding each other's signal the current radios could easily have the other company's programming placed on to

I hate to admit it, but I don't think that we have been getting the straigt poop on the interoperable radio. The whole satrad transmission bandwidth that both both companies bid on isn't so wide that either antenna would not be able to pick up either's signal. That only leaves the decoding of the signal to deal with and that is mostly done with software. Maybe the delay is to clean out the store shelves of all the single carrier radios. Whatever the reason, the radio is ready to go now. Like one poster said, it only needs the XM-Sirius name.

By feeding each other's signal the current radios could easily have the other company's programming placed on top of the first company's programming. Sirius would be channels 1-125 and XM 226-250. There is no reason why the current radios can't carry more channels. The problem that this raises is the 8% of 250 versus 125 that are being given away

"GREAT....JUST IN TIME FOR THE INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS TO SLEAL OUR SHARES THAT ARE UTTERLY VALUELESS... IS THERE EVER GOING TO BE AN UP DAY WITH THIS STOCK! I'IM SO UPSET ABOUT THIS."

I'm LMFAO! What no shitty HD Radio? LMFAO!

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/interoperable-satellite-radios-becoming-a-reality.html
Saturday, June 17, 2006 at 12:06 PM

Dual-subscribers of both Sirius and XM Satellite Radio may have hope afterall of consolidating both their subscriptions into a single unit - very soon.

Introducing Interoperable Technologies, a joint effort supported and funded by both XM and Sirius, working to bring dual-subscription satellite radios to market. XM and Sirius both share ownership in the company.
Interoperable Technologies, founded in 2003, is in the process of designing and architecting these dual-mode satellite radios, with the help of regular consultations from both XM and Sirius. In 2005 they successfully completed the design of a radio capable of receiving both services, and have a timeline to bring a reciever to market this year.

For only $26/month you get over 300-channels of superior content in a single unit. I can't wait.

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Founded in 2003, Interoperable Technologies is a limited-liability company (LLC) working to create a "dual-mode" satellite radio receiver that is capable of accessing both XM Satellite Radio and Sirius Satellite Radio, services operating in North America. It is a subsidiary of Sirius XM Radio, the holding company for both services, and is based in Deerfield Beach, Florida.
As reported by Orbitcast in June 2006, a prototype was developed in 2005, and was expected to come to market later in 2006. The chipset would be used in all new receivers, so that consumers could subscribe to either one or both services, which were previously separate companies. Users could then listen to both just as they listen to both AM and FM, and would not have to change receivers when changing services. The total number of channels available on the two services together is about 300.
It was speculated at the time that this could be a precursor to a merger of the two companies. This later proved to be true when they announced just such a plan in February 2007. If the two are allowed to carry the same programming by merging channels with duplicate formats, the dual-mode receivers would allow the combined company to eventually migrate to one technical platform instead of two.
Currently, both services use proprietary transmissions, neither of which are compatible with the global WorldSpace service transmission, or with DAB.
http://www.selectsatelliteradio.com/
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So Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin continues to lie, and the consumers continue getting screwed. The FCC should step in and stop the mistake they made, fine the living crap out of sirius/xm and then pull their licence and give licences to 3 or 4 companies that can compete and give consumers what they want.

10-Aug-07 2.97 3.06 2.94 2.98 44,274,300
9-Aug-07 3.01 3.11 3.00 3.00 28,720,700

LMFAO - down to $1.40!!!

Sorry about the triple post. I only posted one entry at 6:04 pm, but it appears three times with the end of the post sort of chopped off.

For cost cutting, for "synergy" one of the two different satellite systems needs to be dropped. This whole pump and dump game is getting old.

Face facts OEM and consumers don't want to deal with a "merge" MONOPOLY scheme.

How low does the stock have to go to get delisted? We should hit that sometime next week or the next.

Just in time for Christmas... talk about timing with that passing the merger.. these will be on the shelf in time for Christmas.. 2009.. if the company still is around...

"if the company still is around..."

Don't worry, It won't be.

The company will still be around. It's too big to disappear. The very worst that would ever happen would be for the company to declare Chapter 11 and then refinance, and/or get acquired.

The automakers alone have too much of a captial stake in the company, and they support SatRad because it can do things regular and HD can't, such as have a national network.

We should not speculate about what it takes to make an interoperable radio. They certainly can not be just 'turned on'. I can't speak to everything that needs to be changed or merged to make interoperable work, but I know just a little. I got a technical tour of XM once, and one thing I did discover was that the encryption of the system is very tightly controlled. They keep the hardware inside a locked cage in their rack room. Non US citizens are not even allowed to LOOK AT IT because of State Department regulations.

I think XM could not even talk to Sirius about how their system works until after they merged or they might go to jail. It will come together quickly, but not overnight.

[quote]The investors are the ones that have made all of this possible. No investment = No Satrad. As an investor I can tell you that without our money satrad would have never happened. Most posters are up their asses in Sirius stock and want to make sure that their invested is not simply pie in the sky. I like the product and listen to satrad, but I'm not funding a charity[/quote]

But a real investor is thinking of the long-term picture. Some businesses take 15-20 years to turn a profit. Something like Satellite Radio is likely to be that.

The big problem is not with serious (not SIRIUS, pardon the unintended pun) investor, but these daytraders--the type who use "positive posts" to pump up the hype. A long-term investor thinks of the future and of retirement and is in it for the long haul. The guys who just want the stock prices to go up so they can make a quick buck aren't. I see a lot of people acting like that here--and I think many of them encouraged this merger because they thought it would add a quick boost to the stock price.

You also have to look at it from the consumer perspective above all others. While Public companies have to answer to stockholders, first and foremost they have to think about their consumers, because without them there is no company. There are people spouting facts that don't make sense, for instance.

"Why don't they have an iPhone application". Well, software takes time to develop, and you are dealing with content that has to be protected (as mandated by the RIAA, BMI, etc.), and XM and Sirius couldn't move ahead of time based on the FCC review and it would be a waste of resources if the merger was rejected.

"Why don't they get rid of one companies satellite". The biggest mistake they could do is piss off the consumer. Car units especially will have a shelf-life of up to 20 years. You can't remove the dual-bands. Most consumers don't want to purchase new radios every year or so.

"Why don't they put Stern or NFL on XM NOW!". Well, contracts are one thing. Logistics are another. Expect at least a few months before everything is tested and approved.

It's funny that this "article" doesn't mention the fact even Mel confesses that it will be at least three years before you'll see an interoperable reciever in new vehicles! That's a pretty important piece of information left out, being the bulk of thier "new" subscriptions comes from the purchase of automobiles.

"Car companies control the dashboard," Karmazin said on the call. And to make changes it "takes three years."

Three years before they're in new vehicles...Three year price freeze? Hmmm.....

For more on this: http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/07/technology/Sirius-radio-delay.fortune/?postversion=2008080716

We should not speculate about what it takes to make an interoperable radio. They certainly can not be just 'turned on'.

No need to speculate they certanly can.

Dish Network sends new instructions to receivers all the time. It tells receivers were to find channels and not over 25Mhz that sat radio has but over 500 mHZ

WE SHOULD ADDRESS HOW NOT DOING THIS SIRIUS SCREWED INVESTORS. THEY DID NOT NEED A MERGER.

Everybody should learn how things work so they can see how they were screwed.

What business takes 15 - 20 years to become profitable that is still in existence today?

Can you point one out to me?

Thanks.

What business is the only one of it's kind allowed to do business in two countries?

Enough of this BS, upgrading to HD Radio, FM even beats the sound quality of satellite radio, HD Radio crushes the sound quality of satellite radio. The content is there when you look for it.

HD Digital Radio • IT’S TIME TO UPGRADE!
HD Digital Radio. It's here. It's local. It's free. DISCOVER IT!
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AC from 9:52 PM, we will just have to disagree.

You say interoperable can just be 'turned on' and that Dish network sends messages to find channels all the time. Of course they do.....XM does it every day. Every night when Bloomberg goes off and then comes back on in the morning, XM is telling that receiver what to do with that channel. Both companies have had channels change channel numbers which clearly involves sending messages to the receivers. XM even does it without changing the presets in the radio.

But that is a far cry from changing the core code in the chips. Things like algorithm and encryption method are not updated over the air.

To use your satellite TV parallel, DirecTV has been putting out receivers for a long time that use MP4 and MP2 decoding, but much of their system is still inefficient MP2 because there are millions of receivers that can't do MP4. I'm sure they would LOVE to have those receivers magically converted over the air....but it does not work that way. They will have to get them replaced either by the customers upgrading on their own or by some kind of exchange program before they can get the efficiency of MP4.

As for the screwing stockholders have taken, I feel that XM didn't need the merger, but Sirius did. XM had already replaced it's satellites, and was working costs down. They don't have big expensive programming contracts coming up to renew, maybe except for Oprah. All the other ones like MLB are good for years to come. Sirius still has to replace their satellites. (It will be cheaper now that they can use XM-5, unless it is needed as a backup for the XM system) They also have to renew Howard Stern, NASCAR and NFL in the next few years.....and that could be expensive. It might be less since the programers can't play XM against Sirius....but in a two company environment Sirius was in trouble with upcoming costs. Also, XM had 55 % of the auto companies, and ALL of the ones that are growing.

I'm not going to get into a long thread with you, but we just disagree, and I think you don't know enough about receiver technology.

You can convince me if you give me the model name of any receiver that will become interoperable with just an over the air update. I'll wait a year to see if you are right.

"Enough of this BS, upgrading to HD Radio, FM even beats the sound quality of satellite radio, HD Radio crushes the sound quality of satellite radio. The content is there when you look for it."

"HD Hypocrisy"

"Here's a few more reasons why only iBiquity and a few clueless radio group heads could make a big thing out of HD radio tagging... The very damn radio stations that broadcast in HD offer no programming worth listening to. HD Radio is a virtual sewer of formats owners don't want on their terrestrial frequencies and other assorted garbage that no one sane would listen to -- let alone spend money for new radios -- tagging or not."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/09/hd-hypocrisy.html

Ryan could you? would you? at least compare what was said:

March 18, 2006
www.orbitcast.com/archives/sirius-xm-satellite-radio-interoperability

April 6, 2006
www.orbitcast.com/archives/sirius-xm-no-plans-for-interoperability

June 17, 2006
www.orbitcast.com/archives/interoperable-satellite-radios-becoming-a-reality

June 19, 2006
www.orbitcast.com/archives/xms-hiring-an-i

July 6, 2007
www.orbitcast.com/archives/interoperable-radios-are-they-already-out-there

April 3, 2008
www.orbitcast.com/archives/device-interoperability-debate-brought-to-forefront-with-doj-decision


Interoperable Technologies, a joint venture of both companies, was formed in 2003 and announced such a receiver in 2006. Mel Karmazin has confirmed the existence and operation of the radio, "We have one. It's in my office."


Because what Mel is saying now doesn't at all jive with what you've been able to find out over the years. A company working since 2003 on a product, makes one by 2006, yet it won't be available to consumers till late Spring early summer 2009? Wont be available in auto's for three years? None of what Mel is saying now goes along with what has been claimed in the past. What gives? Where is the truth?

Anonymous Coward | August 9, 2008 1:13 PM = The internets resident Debunked, Troll Pocketradio. Yet more fearful and desperate FUD.

Terrestrial AM/FM/HD has quality programming just like it always has, and even more so on it's multicast channels. As always your posts are laughable just like your joke of a blog which sooner than later will get you served liable. Perhaps Ryan should block you, not because we don't care about your ignorant qwest, but because your liable FUD posts could get Orbitcast dragged into the mess which is Pocketradio.

Pocketradio = TROLL
Pocketradio = DEBUNKED

"As always your posts are laughable just like your joke of a blog which sooner than later will get you served liable."

Boring...

"Perhaps Ryan should block you, not because we don't care about your ignorant qwest, but because your liable FUD posts could get Orbitcast dragged into the mess which is Pocketradio."

Posting references to other blogs is not considered libelous (which you evidentually, as a lawyer, do not even know how to spell). Libel would be if someone was unjustified in posting that someone else was having an affair, for example. In terms of public figures and corporations, they also have to prove malice and show damages - almost impossible to do. Posting references to blogs and newspaper articles is not considered libelous, or tortuous, thus Orbitcast has nothing to fear. YOU on the other-hand, unjustifiably posting that PocketRadio is a "schizophrenic" would be considered libelous. Anything else?

Pocketradio your spelling of liable has been DEBUNKED days ago. Don't worry about the label of nut case or your word of describing yourself "schizophrenic". Those will be easy to prove without a doubt. That large fine you could get for your FUD filled blog just might be followed up with a forced stay in the rubber room if you insist that your "schizophrenic" actions are analyzed in a court of law. I'm sure Bob Struble can provide the court a accurate list of your fearful and desperate "schizophrenic" posts about the FCC approved, technology of the future of radio HD Radio.

Pocketradio = TROLL
Pocketradio = DEBUNKED

"I'm sure Bob Struble can provide the court a accurate list of your fearful and desperate "schizophrenic" posts about the FCC approved, technology of the future of radio HD Radio."

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"But after an investigation of HD Radio units, the stations playing HD, and the company that owns the technology; and some interviews with the wonks in DC, it looks like HD Radio is a high-level corporate scam, a huge carny shill... Between the high prices, poor listening options, homogenized content, and a decade and a half of FCC dealings that went into this monopoly, critics are calling the move to digital radio a 'catastrophe' and a 'complete giveaway' to behemoths such as CBS... All the major radio players, such as Clear Channel Communications, are iBiquity investors. Which means Clear Channel is paying itself for the right to broadcast, and every mom-and-pop station that wants to go digital also has pay the big boys. Nice setup!"

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/2007-03-07/music/hd-radio-on-the-offense

Struble's day is coming - the FCC is currently being investigated by the Commerce Committe, and surely the HD Radio scam will surface for all to see.

Anonymous Coward | August 9, 2008 7:13 PM = fearful and desperate resident debunked, "schizophrenic" troll Pocketradio. Posting yet more fearful and desperate FUD. Spreading more liable FUD to the uneducated.

Pocketradio = TROLL
Pocketradio = DEBUNKED


With the Automakers OEM UPGRADING to HD Radio rest assured there is no "scam" and HD Radio will continue gaining it's place in the radio industry.

HD Digital Radio • IT’S TIME TO UPGRADE!
HD Digital Radio. It's here. It's local. It's free. DISCOVER IT!
www.hdradio.com/


"With the Automakers OEM UPGRADING to HD Radio rest assured there is no "scam" and HD Radio will continue gaining it's place in the radio industry."

The only automaker offering HD Radio standard is failing Volvo, which is owned by Ford, an iNiquity investor. The rest only offer it as an option, which no one wants. Automakers get free publicity for models which are not selling:

"Ibiquity Fears Open Access Will Not Help Adoption Of HD Radio"

"I have said it before, and I will say it again. HD Radio has a responsibility to market itself. They should not be out looking for business model hand-outs. They should not be trying to circumvent negotiations with OEM’s by getting into car dashboards on the backs of the negotiations that Sirius and XM have made, and by extension, on the backs of shareholders in the SDARS companies."

http://tinyurl.com/6pgnq2

"DEAD AIR: Radio’s Great Leap Forward stalling in the Valley"

"Nearly two years after the Valley’s four Clear Channel stations went HD, several high-end car manufacturers have promised to offer HD radios as an option on new models. But while Ford announced in September that it offers the radios as dealer-installed upgrades — as have Mini, Volvo, Jaguar and BMW — local Ford and Lincoln dealers had not heard of HD and said they don’t offer the option."

http://www.themonitor.com/news/radio_7098___article.html/digital_new.html

"Are Ford and HD Radio in Sync?"

"The radio industry will, of course, promote Ford for free in exchange for this development as part of the presumably soon-to-expire pledge of airtime to the HD radio effort."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/09/are-ford-and-hd.html

Very little progress has been made with automakers. Now, Ford is 9 billion in debt - LOL!

Anonymous Coward | August 9, 2008 11:19 PM = fearful and desperate resident debunked, "schizophrenic" troll Pocketradio. Posting yet more fearful and desperate FUD. Spreading more liable FUD to the uneducated. You should really educate yourself with reality and truth.

HD Radio broadcasts are available today to more than 83% of Americans.[2] It has also been reported that as of June 2008, over 1,700 AM and FM stations are broadcasting with HD Radio technology

"The car momentum is accelerating. BMW and Mini offer the technology across their full lines. In the past twelve months we’ve had announcements from Ford, Volvo, Hyundai, Mercedes, Toyota’s Scion, Jaguar and Land Rover about their HD Radio launch plans. Most of these automakers will be rolling out HD Radio equipped vehicles this year, so stay tuned for that, as well as more auto announcements."

Only a fearful, desperate, uneducated troll would find it funny that a American automaker is having problems. Educate yourself.

Pocketradio = TROLL
Pocketradio = DEBUNKED

Thoughts on Radio’s Digital Future
So How Are We Doing: A Conversion Reality Check
http://www.ibiquity.com/about_us/message
Welcome and thanks for finding your way to my initial online column, "Thoughts on Radio’s Digital Future". My intent is to fairly regularly put fingers to keyboard and give you all a candid inside view of what we at iBiquity are thinking and doing to speed AM/FM’s conversion to digital.

Importantly, I’d love your feedback. It’s thoughts@ibiquity.com. I read them all and try to respond to everyone but the truly loony and those peddling commercial real estate. I commit to consider all the feedback I get, and to bring interesting viewpoints into future columns.

I’ve been inspired in this effort by many in radio who write regular opinion pieces, so let me give them their propers. Peter Smyth, Paul McLane, Fred Jacobs, Dave Martin and the Edison guys have great thoughts with which I generally agree. I regularly read Mark Ramsey and Jerry Del Colliano too, usually fundamentally disagreeing but always being entertained. There are many others adding to this healthy debate. The passion of radio people never ceases to amaze: it is a great strength and may be our saving grace.

So with that intro behind, as a first topic, let me try to answer the simple question I get asked the most: ‘how’s it going?’ In a word, fantastic.

That answer may surprise some, given a lot of the contrasting opinions out there. No one is better at beating up radio than radio people. I will qualify my assessment by highlighting the reality that there is a long way to go. More on that later.

First, the fantastic part.

Broadcasters have built a comprehensive HD RadioTM broadcasting infrastructure, with almost 1800 stations on the air covering more than 80% of the population. Almost 50% of radio listening takes place on stations which have converted to digital. Big markets like NY, Chicago, LA, Detroit and Washington are saturated with 20 to 30 HD Radio stations. On average, one station every day converts. More than 800 stations have new HD2s and HD3s pumping out diverse content. Two years ago, when I pushed a receiver manufacturer or retailer or automaker to include HD Radio technology in their mix, the overwhelming response was "why would I do that when there are no stations on air?" I rarely get that pushback now.

We have more, better, cheaper HD Radio receivers being widely distributed. More than 60 different types of HD Radio receivers are available in all segments – OEM and aftermarket car, high end stereo, home and table top. Recognized brands like Sony, JVC, Yamaha, Jensen, Panasonic, JBL and Polk are selling product. Prices have come down to the $79 level (we were at $199 two short years ago). And those products are available at more than 12,000 storefronts across the country. Go into a Best Buy, Circuit City, Wal-Mart, Target or Radio Shack, as well as many regional retailers, and you will find HD Radio receivers (granted, you may have to ask a few times).

The car momentum is accelerating. BMW and Mini offer the technology across their full lines. In the past twelve months we’ve had announcements from Ford, Volvo, Hyundai, Mercedes, Toyota’s Scion, Jaguar and Land Rover about their HD Radio launch plans. Most of these automakers will be rolling out HD Radio equipped vehicles this year, so stay tuned for that, as well as more auto announcements.

I could go on about new applications and money making opportunities for broadcasters like multicasting, iTunes Tagging or instant traffic distribution, or the progress on getting into portable devices, or the exciting international scene, but let me save some of that for future columns.

I look at all that progress in a fairly short time and get tremendously excited. When I read some of the strident HD Radio critics, I am reminded of the Seinfeld Superman Bizarro world episode. Things will never be perfect and legitimate criticism is helpful, but doing so by ignoring the tremendous momentum described above is delusional or dishonest.

But there is still a lot to do and we are a long way from clinking champagne glasses. Our industry must keep converting stations, putting quality HD2 and HD3 programming on, and promoting the digital upgrade to our listeners. We can’t stop with dozens of radio SKUs, we need hundreds. The retail scene has gotten better, but we have a long way to go on sales floor knowledge, merchandising and product demonstration. And we need to be in all cars, every last one. These are our challenges and objectives, and we won’t quit until we have attained them.

But we all have to recognize that for an industry that has been around almost 100 years, a total upgrade will be a long term proposition. Think of how long every other mass media upgrade has taken – black and white to color TVs, AM to FM, and most recently, digital TV, even with a conversion mandate. Comparatively, the HD Radio transition stacks up quite well.

A little history lesson, which was given to me by one radio’s legends, Jerry Lee, may be helpful. FM broadcasting was approved by the FCC in 1940 and was given its current frequencies in 1945. Jerry put WBEB on the air in 1963 (I remember that because it is the year I was born). There were no FM receivers available, so Jerry had some manufactured and gave them to his listeners. Oh, they only tuned to ‘BEB.

You know how the story ends. After years of broadcasters giving away their FM licenses and consumers enduring AM simulcasts, some smart programmers got busy. By the late ‘70s, FM had taken over as the dominant listening medium.

So when I hear a naysayer urge me to throw in the towel, I chuckle and think that’s like pushing to shut down FMs in 1967. We now know that would have been ludicrous back then, and it’s just as silly now.

Every other consumer medium is digital already or on a strong path to get there, and radio cannot be stuck in the analog world of the last century. Our future is digital – online and over the air. I’m encouraged by our progress and hope you are too. We will get there together.

Thanks for reading, and let me know what you think.

All good things.

Bob Struble
Columbia, MD
July 2008

Ryan, suggest you track and DELETE anything posted by Pocketradio, not to censor or not to let him get his fear and desperation posted (or re-posted again and again, as it is when it comes to the ignorance which is pocketradio), but his blog and his posts are going to be served LIABLE for his pushing false information.


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Pocketradio = DEBUNKED

Personally, I don't understand what all the fuss is back and forth about HD radio.

This is a satellite radio blog, not a regular radio or HD radio blog. There really shouldn't be much discussion about anything other than the SatRad stuff.

I don't hate HD or regular radio. While I am an XM subscriber, I don't use it in my car and still listen to Terrestrial Radio, Music Choice sometimes, etc. Some fans do take it too far and consider everything about Terrestrial broadcasting evil. HD radio might end up supplementing both AM/FM and Sat radio. But there is a risk it could be the next HD-DVD or digital audio cassette/mini-disc formats--remember those music formats nobody cared about that were in the early 90s?

As far as I know, nobody here is committing libel. However, you can't fully quote articles in full in the comment sections without violating the original web site's copyright, so both parties are violating copyright, and that's what should stop. These comments shouldn't be used to Hijack the subject of articles into a pro-vs-anti HD debate.

But to the AC who's master of "slogans", you're engaging in the stereotypical trolling behavior. First of all, the ONLY person I've see Ryan target directly is you. (The only other one was the stupid idiot who loved Sirius and would use Ch-Ch-Churn). So, you're on notice. As soon as he warned you, if you really support this block you would have stopped the whole "HD Radio, it's here" or the "merge" MONOPOLY stuff.

You really sound like an advertisement, and that shakes anything credible you have to say. You also like to attack people who don't have your opinion--what are you, 12 years old? The sign of true maturity is to have reasonable discussions with people, not just repeat the same stuff over and over, or attack people with a different opinion as "blind, ignorant" people. You had brought up good points against the merger but you lost a whole lot of credibility with that--as soon as you started spamming HD slogans, you lost everything you had.

Let's also be realistic. You claim to represent the "majority". Let's face it, and I'm aiming this at both fans and foes. The true majority don't care about Lee Abrams vs. the new guy, who the hell Mel K is, the stock price, or whether or not they have one or two companies. The true majority really will probably only care about getting their music in their cars and homes. As long as Sirius XM maintains most of their channels and keeps their service, you won't see people complaining too much. Some might like it.

JRT,

Orbitcast is not a place to discuss your opinion your feelings about others based on what they say, but more about the truth and reality of what is posted. Please use email if you feel the need to have off topic outbursts to stroke your ego. Credibility? HA this is a open web forum, posting and backing up the facts and pointing out FUD is the deal. Do a search Pocketradio and HD Radio and see what comes back, the nut job spams the net with his FUD hoping to influence the uneducated, he's even got a FUD blog about HD Radio which IS what he will be served liable for, since everything there is BS that has been DEBUNKED time after time.


By the way:
"Orbitcast is dedicated to providing the latest news, information and an increased awareness of XM, Sirius and their competing industries."

HD Radio is a competing industry, Ryan posts many HD Radio threads, with information which also DEBUNKS the internets resident HD Radio troll, Pocketradio.

Pocketradio = TROLL
Pocketradio = DEBUNKED

My ego's not stroked at all. I am simply pointing out your bad behavior. And you don't address the facts. As soon as anybody brings up logic against you, you switch to attacking the poster. You completely ignore my points that you aren't representing a "majority", that Ryan's actually called you out directly on your bad behavior (and is changing Orbitcast because of it)--once he called you out you started to behave a bit, then went back to your old tricks. You can tell the truth and still be polite about it.

And how can I use e-mail when you are posting as an anonymous coward.

And all I see is you posting propaganda and these other guys posting alternate propaganda. Nothing either of you do is Libelous.

You also ignore the fact that if you post a complete article from another web site, you are committing copyright violations--a link will suffice. At least the other ACs posting only post a paragraph or a few sentences.

FUD is overused--a lot of people like to call the alternate opinions as FUD. What about a lot of the stuff you've been posting, such as stating the stock should be de-listed From what I see, you now want Satellite radio to fail and everybody to get HD Radio. Why the anger?

Granted, this can be a biased site--Ryan's crying baby pictures show that he's pro-SatRad (and in some cases is a tad bit unfair--not to mention ugly), but then again this is really blog for SatRad enthusiasts. (And it's his blog).

This will no longer be open to posters, thanks to your behavior--it will all depend when Ryan gets the time to alter MovableType's settings. I'm not sure what you wanted to accomplish. I liked people posting the criticisms against the merger, but as time's gone on you've become increasingly erratic, chanting slogans, not engaging anybody in dialog, and insulting people who disagree with you.

And as a reminder, what Ryan said a few posts back.

Just a note to all Anonymous "AC" Cowards:

Enjoy yourself while you can because the propaganda and terrible comments are coming to an end. I'm done with the stupidity, and will be shutting down the anonymous comments very soon. So get it out of your system now.

I'm tired with a handful of people ruining the experience of this site. It's not fair to the loyal readers, legitimate commenters, to myself and to the people/companies that I'm writing about. We're all here to learn from and communicate with each other, not to have to sift through your nonsensical ramblings.

The bullshit is ending, and I'm sorry I let it go on this long.

And this has been caused by your behavior.

JRT,

You are above no one else here. This is not the JRT personal feelings about others forum. You have more than proven your bent on stroking your ego instead of posting on topic. Not that you've added anything to Orbitcast in any of your posts. If you don't like what others post move on to the next. Your little "I'm upset session" and "I'm pointing out your bad behavior" is lame. We DONT care what you think. The MAJORITY don't care what you think. If you don't like what others post move on to the next.

By the way:
"Orbitcast is dedicated to providing the latest news, information and an increased awareness of XM, Sirius and their competing industries."

And this has been caused by your behavior, when you got all upset HD Radio was being discussed. Grow up, don't blame others for your problems.

Now back to how poorly Mel and company are moving forward with the merge? 9 months of lag before interoperable radio's are going to be a killer, but even worse is going to be the 3 year lag for the real money maker Automaker OEM.

You are above no one else here. This is not the JRT personal feelings about others forum. You have more than proven your bent on stroking your ego instead of posting on topic.

What the hell are you talking about? How is responding to your posts off-topic, and how is your poetry and advertisements for HD radio on topic to this blog post about interoperable radios.

We DONT care what you think. The MAJORITY don't care what you think. If you don't like what others post move on to the next.

Look, the only person you are representing is yourself, stop trying to say you're "speaking for the majority". At least be honest and represent yourself, and have the courage to admit your wrong. Tell me how anything I posted is "egotistical". Like I said, the majority are the silent people who buy the radios or get them in their cars and don't care about the blogs or anything like that.

You are above no one else here. This is not the JRT personal feelings about others forum. You have more than proven your bent on stroking your ego instead of posting on topic.

What the hell are you talking about? How is responding to your posts off-topic, and how is your poetry and advertisements for HD radio on topic to this blog post about interoperable radios.

We DONT care what you think. The MAJORITY don't care what you think. If you don't like what others post move on to the next.

Look, the only person you are representing is yourself, stop trying to say you're "speaking for the majority". At least be honest and represent yourself, and have the courage to admit your wrong. Tell me how anything I posted is "egotistical". Like I said, the majority are the silent people who buy the radios or get them in their cars and don't care about the blogs or anything like that.

JRT,

You are the one that "WRONG"

What you posted is both "egotistical", and off topic. We don't care what your feelings are about other posters and what they post. Perhaps everytime JRT posts someone needs to posts a page of hissy-fit why they dont feel it's right how JRT posts? Are you that lonely and desperate? Do you feel you need to stroke your ego that much? Be honest and represent yourself, and have the courage to admit your wrong. Stay on topic.

Your upset that HD Radio was mentioned and then tried to back it up starting with "This is a satellite radio blog, not a regular radio or HD radio blog. There really shouldn't be much discussion about anything other than the SatRad stuff." which is WRONG, then you started emoting your feelings. WRONG again as this is Orbitcast NOT JRT's feelings website.

"Orbitcast is dedicated to providing the latest news, information and an increased awareness of XM, Sirius and their competing industries."

HD Radio is a competing industry, Ryan posts many HD Radio threads.

Be honest and represent yourself, and have the courage to admit your wrong. Stay on topic.

There was no mention of how stuff like MLB and NHL channels will work into the a la carte selection. If you choose the 50 channel a la carte and want MLB, does that count as 1 selection, or do will they count all 14 MLB stations? If only XM had NFL to begin with....

Because the NFL is under exclusive contract with Sirius, I doubt that will be offered on XM. They'll probably require NFL to be a dual-subscriber or choose a Sirius radio over XM.

Jeez. I'm getting so tired of the HDtards and the stock whiners. Hey Ryan, how about a new forum rule: no whining about stocks in any post that's not directly stock related? :)

And I am totally baffled about how a post about new SATELLITE receivers has anything to do with HD radio.

I also find it interesting that the HDTard who continually posts whole articles doesn't even respond regarding the fact that he's violating the copyright of publications he's re-posting.

So back to discussion about Satellite radio...

I'm encouraged by the fact that Mel wants to put the interoperable receivers in the stores. What I'm really interested in seeing is how this plays out a couple of years down the road. I have the feeling that they'll push hard to get consumers to buy new radios by offering discounts and new features. About 3 or 4 years down the road, they'll offer steep rebates and even offer to buy out existing customers who haven't upgraded yet. At that point, they'll be able to sunset the existing 2-band system and get the entire spectrum on a single system.

Think about it, Do we really need 7 channels entirely devoted to stand-up comedy? I'd rather go out and buy a new receiver than see everything duplicated. It just doesn't make sense.

"And I am totally baffled about how a post about new SATELLITE receivers has anything to do with people posting" their feelings and opinions of others, at least HD Radio has something to do with the topic and doesn't turn things into a emote-fest of the minority who would rather post about their feelings of others instead of on topic.

i remember reading on betanews.com of all places that mel was hoping the merger would close much sooner than it did because the later the closing date, the later that interoperable radios could be offered. when mel says he has an interop radio in his office, i picture a unit that has both a sirius and xm board fused together. in essense, a sirius radio and an xm radio taken apart and crammed together in a single unit, instead of a combined chipset that many of you are picturing. if you want to blame anyone for not getting interop units out before christmas, blame kevin martin for putting off a decision on merger for so long.

as far as hd radio is concerned, put simply its a failure:
1. they did not develop a pocket sized portable radio along with the full sized unit.
2. the local markets are programming the same crap on different stations. go to any clearchannel radio website and you can listen to an online stream of an hd sidechannel out of los angeles and hear the same channel out of a sidechennel from new york. the very same stream. if the local stations were given the option to program their own sidechannel programming, it may have worked out.

i have an hd radio. it is a considerable upgrade to my previous radio, but in my market (louisville, ky) there are only a handful of stations broadcasting in hd, of those there are maybe 4 or 5 broadcasting sidechannels and on those sidechannels it sounds like a preprogrammed centralized satellite feed. if i wanted to hear a satellite feed, i would just listen to my satellite radio.

There was no mention of how stuff like MLB and NHL channels will work into the a la carte selection. If you choose the 50 channel a la carte and want MLB, does that count as 1 selection, or do will they count all 14 MLB stations? If only XM had NFL to begin with....