The National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) issued a strongly worded, yet remarkably succinct retort to the news of FCC Chairman Kevin Martin's recommendation for the Sirius-XM merger...
I'm no fan of the NAB but I do not understand how anyone but stockholders could be in favor of this merger. Do some of you not realize the consumer gets screwed every time there is a merger that takes away competition?
Look at the current oil situation. In the 90's the eight major oil companies were allowed to merge into four companies. Now whose paying for it..we are. Same can be said for the cable and media company mergers...rates are now out the roof because of low competition.
Five years from now, this merger will be a disaster for us consumers.
@ Hayseed: "I'm no fan of the NAB but I do not understand how anyone but stockholders could be in favor of this merger. Do some of you not realize the consumer gets screwed every time there is a merger that takes away competition?"
But there IS competition. It's just that traditional ways of looking at competition in a media saturated world don't make sense anymore. And the DOJ agreed with that understanding.
The oil company comparison does not hold water in this case. For many reasons.
There will be a reverse stock split before November. 2 for 3 is most likely. 1 for 2 is least likely but possible. This will bring in institutional buyers. I also predict that Gary Parsons will be working in his home garden this time next year. I lastly predict that Mr. Rehr has indigestion this afternoon.
@ Hayseed: do not ever, ever compare this or any oil situation to the satellite radio merger. there are waaaaaay to many variables to list that make the oil situation too confusing to explain on an internet blog that has nothing to do with the world energy market. why don't you investigate the commonities market and see WHY oil prices are where they are.
Stop looking at the profits of oil companies and start looking at their margins. Google, apple, microsoft, every newspaper, etc make a bigger profit that all oil companies. should we impose a winfall tax profit on them.
I'm very aware of all the variables involved in why gas prices are so high and less competition is one of them. Listen, I'm not one these "corporations are evil, maaaan" type people, but I do know the average consumer who doesn't play the markets gets screwed when corporations merge... esp. when they are providing a pay service directly to the consumer. It doesn't happen every time but more often than not it does.
David Rehr is still just doing his JOB as NAB President. It's naive to think he would just roll over this morning and act like the NAB membership is now ok with a "merge" just because of the new news.
The National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) is a trade association that purports to advocate on behalf of more than 8,300 tax-payer funded, local radio and television stations and also broadcast networks before Congress, the Federal Communications Commission and the Courts. It also founded and funds the group called the Consumer Coalition for Competition in Satellite Radio (C3SR), which is a pseudo consumer group designed to stop the XM-Sirius merger and stop competition with terrestrial radio.
ok whatever you say. let the news outlets tell you what to think. less competition? sure maybe but is is soooooooo far down on the list that it barely matters.
You are 100% right. IF this "merge" is allowed I don't even think it will take 5 years for it to be a disaster for consumers OR the satradio industry. We HAVE direct competition right now in the satradio industry, IF approved direct competition will be gone as well as all the consumer benefits of direct competition between Sirius and Xm. Come on little Max where is this current radio "competition" you speak of? What will be keeping a "merged" satradio company getting the best content, and talent, and keeping the prices at their current level? It's NOT the scary "competition" from what currently being programmed or the reach of AM/FM/HD, iTunes is not radio, internet radio is not even close to being a option. What will be direct competition to a "merged" satradio company?
Also SC Hayseed pay no attention to little Max, he's a chronic liar and a blind, ignorant, staradio fanboy. Poor Max can't see the truth thru all his childish games and inability to handle others opinions especially if they are smarter than his own. As poor little Max proves below he gets so upset he lashes out at everyone showing his lack of class, lack of intelligence's. Sadly there are a few children here at orbitcast which are obsessed in ruining Orbitcast with their rude, crude, unintelligent posts. As poor little Max himself proves below some of his "qualities", just a tiny sore taste.... ha ha ha ha.
"This is the last time I am responding to you a little turd like you. When Ryan wants to restore the quality of his site, I'll be back. It's his to lose. If you had any brains or decency, you would just STFU and crawl back under the rock you came from.
Have a nice day, putz."
Posted by: Max | June 14, 2008 9:19 PM
@ suggest you step back. You sure can suggest, but find SC Hayseed's opinion correct and more than welcome to post his/her opinion too. Sure looks like he doesn't need your input to figure out what to think and how to post.
AC, hayseeds "opinion" on satellite radio is not my problem. His (as well as a lot of people's around the internet) about the oil "industry" are ridiculous. This is a satellite radio "blog" and needs to stay that way. Talking about other "industries" that have "NO" comparison is stupid and a "waste" of "time."
Don't take this the wrong way but who are you to draw a line in the sand and judge what is and what is not to be posted on Orbitcast? Further, SC Hayseed's opinion about the oil "industry" might be spot on too. However the point is he is posting his opinion, which to a educated person, who comes to orbitcast to read other opinions is not "stupid" nor a "waste" of "time" Don't want to bend you in the wrong direction but sure think SC Hayseed is welcome to post his opinion here, if we for some reason don't agree, we have the choice of moving on to the next thread or staying to discuss his opinions. But not telling him what he can or can think or post.
By the way I was told by a good source who wishes to remained anonymous (thank you Senator Brockback) that that is the same face he makes when he is taking it up the ass.
Hayseed,
We need the oil. (so they say)
We can live without radio stations!
What have people forgotten about monopolistic business rules and why created?
The Satrad merger will not prevent the availability of "Audio Entertainment" for anyone!
Now get back to your field! Yah Mule!
(Good thing that mule doesnt need oil or ear phones to keep working!)
@ hayseed:" I'm very aware of all the variables involved in why gas prices are so high and less competition is one of them."
Hardly- the reason is 30 years of derelict energy policy on the part of this country, and the global rise in energy use in the developing world.
"Listen, I'm not one these "corporations are evil, maaaan" type people, but I do know the average consumer who doesn't play the markets gets screwed when corporations merge... esp. when they are providing a pay service directly to the consumer. It doesn't happen every time but more often than not it does."
Everyone thinks subscription prices will be raised on SatRad after awhile, and the consumer will get screwed- but they're forgetting they STILL have to compete with other entertainment sources, and they can't price themselves out of the market. It's an easy thing NOT to subscribe, and if the value isn't there, it's game over.
AC (i really like your lack of posting a name, or is it just laziness?) Either way, I never said that he can't post his oil opinions but what I meant was that his "popular opinion" is just that. He is choosing to side with the news media who clearly (on way to many topics to list) posts what they refuse to investigate.
They interview an oil company who clearly says, the cost of heating a home is going to go up now matter how you choose to heat your home but they flip his words and say that only heating your home with oil will go up. Natural Gas is increasing just as much but you do not hear about it.
And an opinion on how oil companies are screwing the american public because they are making billion dollar profits is not an opinion. It is misguided. You can not grade a company on just profit without looking at the margins. If a company is making 10% margins and pulling in billions in profit why and how could the government possibly fault them and not other companies pulling in profit margin well beyond a meager 10%?
I have to laugh. A radio disaster in 5 years? Free radio has had a 100 year head start. Its had a money funding political system behind it. Choice has been dormant for decades. In the words of Johan Belluci....But NOOOOOOOOO. We cant give wage earning adults the choice to choose to pay for radio!
lol- If satradio becomes a disaster for myself or my wife, we would just cancel the service as we would do for TV or or cell phones.....BUT....there is a trap.....My wife and I got a ifetime subscription 5 years ago...oh its already paid for itself.
Here is the bottom line. Radio is politics. Politics doesnt want to abandon their cash source...However, the good thing about politics is that once satrad takes off, our caring politicians will be 100% behind satrad.
Pay radio...............................The longest FCC approval in HISTORY..........You dont even have to read between the lines.
Oh no...After the merger is approved we will all have to pay one hundred dollars per month for satellite radio with "watered down content" because Sirius will have a monopoly on satellite radio.
sarcasm off YOU HOPE..... As for the drop in talent and content, thats a given without direct competition and empty pockets. You can hope and dream but this "merge" scheme is not being done for consumers, nor for the future of the satradio industry.
Oh no...After the merger is approved we will all have to pay one hundred dollars per month for satellite radio with "watered down content" because Sirius will have a monopoly on satellite radio.
Rural America is letting its voice be heard in favor of the planned Sirius/XM merger. In a joint letter to Federal Communications Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein five independent groups cited increased benefits for rural consumers including greater programing options and enhancements to rural information services. The organizations are the Federation of Southern Cooperatives , the League of Rural Voters , the National Latino Farmers and Ranchers Trade Association , the Intertribal Agriculture Council and the Oklahoma Black Historical Research Project . Said the letter, "This merger is clearly in the best interest of rural consumers because it would allow a combined company to expand upon its existing services with increased efficiencies, and at the same time provide rural listeners with more diverse programming and lower pricing." more>> (25 October 2007)
WAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!! about sums it up from everyone's point of view.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!
How about an update to this graphic with the two satellites crushing Rehr's head.
Let's give the NATIONAL ASSOCIATION of BABIES (NAB) a crying towel.
Thank God we won't have to look at his ugly mug anymore thats all I have to say.
Done. Over. Now lets get an official vote and end this insanity once and for all.
If I was an NAB member right now, I would be calling for Rehr to go find another job.
BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Yahoo - is showing approval of the merger from FCC not just Kevin. Anyone seen it anywhere else, i havent
What? No free stuff for the people who attempted to extort more free stuff. This is a pro posterous sham of biblical pro portions my brothers!
Time for NAB to slip white envelopes to the other FCC commissioners before the vote.
I'm no fan of the NAB but I do not understand how anyone but stockholders could be in favor of this merger. Do some of you not realize the consumer gets screwed every time there is a merger that takes away competition?
Look at the current oil situation. In the 90's the eight major oil companies were allowed to merge into four companies. Now whose paying for it..we are. Same can be said for the cable and media company mergers...rates are now out the roof because of low competition.
Five years from now, this merger will be a disaster for us consumers.
Will they get this vote done in two weeks?
@ Hayseed: "I'm no fan of the NAB but I do not understand how anyone but stockholders could be in favor of this merger. Do some of you not realize the consumer gets screwed every time there is a merger that takes away competition?"
But there IS competition. It's just that traditional ways of looking at competition in a media saturated world don't make sense anymore. And the DOJ agreed with that understanding.
The oil company comparison does not hold water in this case. For many reasons.
Swami Plowboy sees all / knows all:
There will be a reverse stock split before November. 2 for 3 is most likely. 1 for 2 is least likely but possible. This will bring in institutional buyers. I also predict that Gary Parsons will be working in his home garden this time next year. I lastly predict that Mr. Rehr has indigestion this afternoon.
@ Hayseed: do not ever, ever compare this or any oil situation to the satellite radio merger. there are waaaaaay to many variables to list that make the oil situation too confusing to explain on an internet blog that has nothing to do with the world energy market. why don't you investigate the commonities market and see WHY oil prices are where they are.
Stop looking at the profits of oil companies and start looking at their margins. Google, apple, microsoft, every newspaper, etc make a bigger profit that all oil companies. should we impose a winfall tax profit on them.
enough already.
I'm very aware of all the variables involved in why gas prices are so high and less competition is one of them. Listen, I'm not one these "corporations are evil, maaaan" type people, but I do know the average consumer who doesn't play the markets gets screwed when corporations merge... esp. when they are providing a pay service directly to the consumer. It doesn't happen every time but more often than not it does.
Let's all send our condolences to David Rehr and Friends @ NAB.... after all, they have lost a lot of money trying to block this deal.
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David Rehr is still just doing his JOB as NAB President. It's naive to think he would just roll over this morning and act like the NAB membership is now ok with a "merge" just because of the new news.
The National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) is a trade association that purports to advocate on behalf of more than 8,300 tax-payer funded, local radio and television stations and also broadcast networks before Congress, the Federal Communications Commission and the Courts. It also founded and funds the group called the Consumer Coalition for Competition in Satellite Radio (C3SR), which is a pseudo consumer group designed to stop the XM-Sirius merger and stop competition with terrestrial radio.
ok whatever you say. let the news outlets tell you what to think. less competition? sure maybe but is is soooooooo far down on the list that it barely matters.
SC Hayseed,
You are 100% right. IF this "merge" is allowed I don't even think it will take 5 years for it to be a disaster for consumers OR the satradio industry. We HAVE direct competition right now in the satradio industry, IF approved direct competition will be gone as well as all the consumer benefits of direct competition between Sirius and Xm. Come on little Max where is this current radio "competition" you speak of? What will be keeping a "merged" satradio company getting the best content, and talent, and keeping the prices at their current level? It's NOT the scary "competition" from what currently being programmed or the reach of AM/FM/HD, iTunes is not radio, internet radio is not even close to being a option. What will be direct competition to a "merged" satradio company?
Also SC Hayseed pay no attention to little Max, he's a chronic liar and a blind, ignorant, staradio fanboy. Poor Max can't see the truth thru all his childish games and inability to handle others opinions especially if they are smarter than his own. As poor little Max proves below he gets so upset he lashes out at everyone showing his lack of class, lack of intelligence's. Sadly there are a few children here at orbitcast which are obsessed in ruining Orbitcast with their rude, crude, unintelligent posts. As poor little Max himself proves below some of his "qualities", just a tiny sore taste.... ha ha ha ha.
"This is the last time I am responding to you a little turd like you. When Ryan wants to restore the quality of his site, I'll be back. It's his to lose. If you had any brains or decency, you would just STFU and crawl back under the rock you came from.
Have a nice day, putz."
Posted by: Max | June 14, 2008 9:19 PM
@ suggest you step back. You sure can suggest, but find SC Hayseed's opinion correct and more than welcome to post his/her opinion too. Sure looks like he doesn't need your input to figure out what to think and how to post.
As you say "enough already"
AC, hayseeds "opinion" on satellite radio is not my problem. His (as well as a lot of people's around the internet) about the oil "industry" are ridiculous. This is a satellite radio "blog" and needs to stay that way. Talking about other "industries" that have "NO" comparison is stupid and a "waste" of "time."
Did I use enough "quotes" for you.
@,
Don't take this the wrong way but who are you to draw a line in the sand and judge what is and what is not to be posted on Orbitcast? Further, SC Hayseed's opinion about the oil "industry" might be spot on too. However the point is he is posting his opinion, which to a educated person, who comes to orbitcast to read other opinions is not "stupid" nor a "waste" of "time" Don't want to bend you in the wrong direction but sure think SC Hayseed is welcome to post his opinion here, if we for some reason don't agree, we have the choice of moving on to the next thread or staying to discuss his opinions. But not telling him what he can or can think or post.
By the way I was told by a good source who wishes to remained anonymous (thank you Senator Brockback) that that is the same face he makes when he is taking it up the ass.
Hayseed,
We need the oil. (so they say)
We can live without radio stations!
What have people forgotten about monopolistic business rules and why created?
The Satrad merger will not prevent the availability of "Audio Entertainment" for anyone!
Now get back to your field! Yah Mule!
(Good thing that mule doesnt need oil or ear phones to keep working!)
@ hayseed:" I'm very aware of all the variables involved in why gas prices are so high and less competition is one of them."
Hardly- the reason is 30 years of derelict energy policy on the part of this country, and the global rise in energy use in the developing world.
"Listen, I'm not one these "corporations are evil, maaaan" type people, but I do know the average consumer who doesn't play the markets gets screwed when corporations merge... esp. when they are providing a pay service directly to the consumer. It doesn't happen every time but more often than not it does."
Everyone thinks subscription prices will be raised on SatRad after awhile, and the consumer will get screwed- but they're forgetting they STILL have to compete with other entertainment sources, and they can't price themselves out of the market. It's an easy thing NOT to subscribe, and if the value isn't there, it's game over.
One question, what is the NAB afraid of?
AC (i really like your lack of posting a name, or is it just laziness?) Either way, I never said that he can't post his oil opinions but what I meant was that his "popular opinion" is just that. He is choosing to side with the news media who clearly (on way to many topics to list) posts what they refuse to investigate.
They interview an oil company who clearly says, the cost of heating a home is going to go up now matter how you choose to heat your home but they flip his words and say that only heating your home with oil will go up. Natural Gas is increasing just as much but you do not hear about it.
And an opinion on how oil companies are screwing the american public because they are making billion dollar profits is not an opinion. It is misguided. You can not grade a company on just profit without looking at the margins. If a company is making 10% margins and pulling in billions in profit why and how could the government possibly fault them and not other companies pulling in profit margin well beyond a meager 10%?
I have to laugh. A radio disaster in 5 years? Free radio has had a 100 year head start. Its had a money funding political system behind it. Choice has been dormant for decades. In the words of Johan Belluci....But NOOOOOOOOO. We cant give wage earning adults the choice to choose to pay for radio!
lol- If satradio becomes a disaster for myself or my wife, we would just cancel the service as we would do for TV or or cell phones.....BUT....there is a trap.....My wife and I got a ifetime subscription 5 years ago...oh its already paid for itself.
Here is the bottom line. Radio is politics. Politics doesnt want to abandon their cash source...However, the good thing about politics is that once satrad takes off, our caring politicians will be 100% behind satrad.
Pay radio...............................The longest FCC approval in HISTORY..........You dont even have to read between the lines.
Oh no...After the merger is approved we will all have to pay one hundred dollars per month for satellite radio with "watered down content" because Sirius will have a monopoly on satellite radio.
/sarcasm off
sarcasm off YOU HOPE..... As for the drop in talent and content, thats a given without direct competition and empty pockets. You can hope and dream but this "merge" scheme is not being done for consumers, nor for the future of the satradio industry.
Oh no...After the merger is approved we will all have to pay one hundred dollars per month for satellite radio with "watered down content" because Sirius will have a monopoly on satellite radio.
/sarcasm off
Posted by: Tristan28 | June 17, 2008 4:43 AM
Rural America is letting its voice be heard in favor of the planned Sirius/XM merger. In a joint letter to Federal Communications Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein five independent groups cited increased benefits for rural consumers including greater programing options and enhancements to rural information services. The organizations are the Federation of Southern Cooperatives , the League of Rural Voters , the National Latino Farmers and Ranchers Trade Association , the Intertribal Agriculture Council and the Oklahoma Black Historical Research Project . Said the letter, "This merger is clearly in the best interest of rural consumers because it would allow a combined company to expand upon its existing services with increased efficiencies, and at the same time provide rural listeners with more diverse programming and lower pricing." more>> (25 October 2007)