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Price Increase: Sirius XM to pass Music Royalty Fees to consumers

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Sirius XM RadioSatellite radio subscribers will be seeing their subscription price grow by nearly $2 a month thanks to increased music royalty rates, according to leaked internal company document.

Orbitcast has confirmed the U.S. music royalty rates will be passed along to subscribers with multiple sources familiar with the matter.

According to the leaked information, the royalty cost increase will take effect on July 29, 2009. Sirius XM Radio Inc. does not appear to be characterizing this as a rate increase, as the subscription rates "officially" charged by the company will remain the same - but subscribers will end up paying more, nonetheless.

In late 2007, the Copyright Royalty Board made a decision to increase the royalty payments for "performance fees" for playing music on satellite radio. The license rate of 6.0% of gross revenue was applied for 2007 and 2008 - it was then increased to 6.5% for 2009 and will continue to increase to 7.0% for 2010, 7.5% for 2011 and 8.0% for 2012.

"Unfortunately we can no longer absorb these increased costs," the company stated in the leaked Sirius XM customer service script.

SoundExchange, the organization that collects royalties for record companies and artists, originally asked for rates roughly equal to 8% to 23% over the rate period. The final CRB decision of 6% to 8% came in significantly lower.

Remember, at the time of the CRB's decision, regular terrestrial AM/FM radio has never had to pay a single dime for performance royalties. Only internet radio and satellite radio were subject to these fees. Terrestrial radio is currently locked in a battle with the music industry's attempts at getting them to pay for music performance royalties (I've written about the need to level the playing field with terrestrial radio many times, it's probably best summed up in this post).

Still, despite the fact that Sirius XM have been absorbing the royalty fees, effectively since 2007, the decision was made to pass along the fees to subscribers starting in July. The reason for this timing has to do with one thing and one thing only: the Federal Communications Commission.

The FCC, in its decision to allow Sirius and XM to merge, authorized the combined company to begin passing along the music royalty fees beginning on July 29, 2009 - beforehand, the satcaster was required to absorb the fees.

The royalty fee is, in essence, a government-required fee (some would call it a "tax") much like the line items you would see on your electric bill. Of course - much like the electric companies - no one is forcing Sirius XM to pass along the fee to consumers, they're just allowing it.

Regardless of how you label it, or who you point the finger at, subscribers will need to pay more.

Most subscriptions are expected to increase by $1.98 a month. Subscribers with multiple radio plans will be charged an extra $0.97 a month, and "Mostly Music" packages will pay $1.53 a month, according to the leaked information.

The "Best of Sirius" and "Best of XM" portions of subscriptions are not subject to this fee.

Some subscribers can avoid paying this fee altogether, however.

Subscribers who previously purchased a long term plan continue to avoid these costs until their next renewal date. If you renew and extend your current subscription before July 29, 2009, Sirius XM will continue to absorb these increased royalty costs until your next renewal date.

Read the leaked internal document, first found on XMFan, below:

US Music Royalty Fee Overview

As an ongoing part of our business, SIRIUS XM must pay copyright music royalties to music companies and music publishers. These royalties have risen dramatically over the past few years, as a result of decisions of the Copyright Royalty Board (CRB). SIRIUS XM has tried to keep these fees as low as possible but in the end, the company has very limited influence over these payments. The FCC decision approving the merger between SIRIUS and XM allows the company to pass through to Subscribers any federally mandated increases in music royalties that we must pay, since March 20, 2007. The FCC decision allows us to pass through this fee increase to our Subscribers and the company has chosen to do this with the U.S. Music Royalty Fee.

The US Music Royalty Fee will be applied to all music subscriptions that SIRIUS XM offers. The fee will be implemented on July 29th, 2009. The existing Subscriber base will receive this fee on their first billing after this date. The fee will be applied to all satellite plans with music content on a Monthly, Quarterly, Semi-Annual and all Annual Savings Plans. Lifetime Subscribers, who have purchased prior to July 29th, will never receive the US Music Royalty Fee. Since the online products are not satellite based they will not incur the U.S. Music Royalty Fee. Once the fee is introduced on July 29th, any new activation or conversion will include the fee. As we go through this training, you will gain a better understanding of how this fee is applied and how to explain it to the Subscribers. We will be going through different scenarios so you can understand why we are passing this fee onto our Subscribers, how to diffuse irate Subscribers, and how the Subscriber can truly benefit by adding longer term plans.

• A support group of LCR's will handle Subscribers calling in response to the US Music Royalty Fee



The below are the XM and SIRIUS Terms & Conditions (T's & C's) including verbiage for disclosing the US Music Royalty Fee. These Terms & Conditions will ensure that the Subscriber has been informed about the US Music Royalty Fee that will be introduced starting July 29th.

Legacy XM T&C's: "OK. Mr./Mrs. _______, you've made a great decision. We will renew your service for (Insert plan selection). Your subscription will be subject to the US Music Royalty fee starting July 29th and is governed by the XM Customer Agreement which you can find on our website. Please be sure to read it. Thank you very much for your time today and enjoy your XM Satellite Radio! If we can be of further assistance, please call 1-800-XMRADIO (800-967-2346). Thanks again and have a great day."

Legacy SIRIUS T&C's: "OK. Mr./Mrs. _______, you've made a great decision. We will renew your service for (Insert plan selection). Your subscription will be subject to the US Music Royalty fee starting July 29th and is governed by our full Terms & Conditions which you can find on our website; please be sure to read it. Thank you very much for your time today and enjoy your SIRIUS Satellite Radio! If we can be of further assistance, please call 888-539-7474. Thanks again and have a great day."



US Music Royalty Fee- FAQ's

Below are examples questions you may receive from Subscribers regarding the US Music Royalty Fee. Use Answers below (as verbatim) when answering questions about why there is a US Music Royalty Fee or costs associated with the US Music Royalty Fee.

What is this US Music Royalty Fee?
Unlike land based radio, both SIRIUS and XM are required to pay copyright music royalties to recording artists, musicians and recording companies who hold copyrights to lyrics and music.

Why are you increasing your price?
We are not increasing our base price which will remain at $12.95/month for most Subscribers.

Why are you charging me this fee?
US Music Royalty rights were established by Congress and are a product of the copyright ACT, the copyright royalty board which sets the rates SIRIUS XM must pay the music industry has increased the rates dramatically. Unfortunately we can no longer absorb these increased costs.

Who makes up the Copyright Royalty Board (CRB)?
The Copyright Royalty Board consists of three Copyright Royalty Judges who determine rates and terms for copyright statutory licenses and make determinations on distribution of statutory license royalties collected by the United States Copyright Office of the Library of Congress. The Board, made up of three permanent copyright royalty judges, was created under the Copyright Royalty and Distribution Reform Act of 2004, These administrative judges are appointed by the Librarian of Congress

Why does it cost so much?
The Copyright Royalty Board which sets the rates SIRIUS XM must pay the music industry have increased the rates dramatically. Unfortunately the Company can no longer absorb these increased costs and must pass them on to subscribers as a US Music Royalty Fee. Is there any way to avoid this charge? Absolutely, for our Subscribers who previously purchased a long term plan, we will continue to absorb these costs until the next renewal date. If you renew and extend your current subscription before July 29, 2009 we will continue to absorb these increased royalty costs until your next renewal date. I can tell you about some our great savings plans.

FCC Ruling stated you can't raise your price, why are you doing it?
This fee is consistent with our commitment not to raise the base price of specific service plans for three years after the merger. The FCC did however permit us to add this fee to our price beginning July 29, 2009.


US Music Royalty Fee

How does this relate to the March Increase?
It is unrelated; the US Music Royalty Fee is to recover royalty cost increases that are outside of the control of SIRIUS XM

I just locked in for MRD, why are you increasing it again?
If you purchased a multi-month plan to lock in a lower price or to retain free streaming, the US Music Royalty Fee will not affect you until the next renewal date for the Plan you purchased.

Who gets the money?
The US Music Royalty Fee will be used to offset payments from SIRIUS XM to the music industry

Do you foresee any changes in the fee?
The Copyright Royalty Board sets the fees that SIRIUS XM is required to pay. The fee is expected to increase by one half percent per year through 2012.

Why did you decide to charge a US Music Royalty Fee rather than adding the increase to the subscription fee?
The FCC order requires that we detail the royalty increase for our Subscribers

Why is the US MRF taxed?
Under applicable tax regulations, it has been determined that the US MRF is a taxable charge.

I only listen to news and talk radio, so why should I be charged the US MRF?
I understand, however it would be impossible to calculate the US Music Royalty Fee based on individual listening patterns of our Subscribers

You recently increased the price of my second radio by $2.00. Now you are adding a US MRF of $.97. Isn't this too much?
The discounted second radio price of $8.99 is still a 30% savings over our standard fee. The addition of a US Music Royalty Fee is necessary due to the dramatic increase in royalties that we have been forced to pay the music industry.

Was I paying this fee previously as part of my subscription price and now am I paying for it separately?
Until July 29, 2009 the FCC required SIRIUS XM to pay the royalty increases, however the order provided the ability for us to pass along these royalty cost increases beginning July 29, 2009

If I have an A La Carte subscription am I only paying the fee on the music channels?
That's a great question, SIRIUS -XM is obligated to pay the US Music Royalty Fee based on the content available in packages, unfortunately we are not able to customize the fee for individual Subscribers

Is there a way to reduce this cost--can I switch my subscription package to mostly music
You may switch to a mostly music package, which will save you $.45 a month in US Music Royalty Fees, but if you do that, you will be giving up over xx channels (different for SIRIUS and XM) of great programming. However, let me tell you about some of our great savings plan which will allow you to delay the US Music Royalty Fee for the term of that plan.

I have an online radio subscription; do I pay a royalty fee on that?
No, the music royalties associated with satellite delivery and internet deliver y of music content are different. The royalties associated with internet listening is absorbed in the subscription price I have 2 subscriptions a Best of and a SIRIUS Everything why is the fee the same on both subscriptions

The US Music Royalty Fee is based on music; the channels included in the Best of portion of your package do not include large amounts of music, so no US Music Royalty fee is due on that portion of your subscription.

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They dropped our internet access (unless we pay more), raised our rates, messed up the station meshing and now they're going to raise rates again? Is there anything else they can take away from us before they jump prices in 2010? This is a mess. I never used the streaming radio unless I forgot my radio at home or in the car, so I don't miss it that much, but considering I only listen to a small smattering of station total, this increase sucks balls.

Sirius/XM does not need this now...neither do the loyal subs. It was going to happen anyway this will turn potential subs away. Nothing you can do about it now.

This company is hemorrhaging money and so am I. I really can't afford these increased costs. Combine this with the "premium" online listening and my sub will have gone up $5/month for what I used to have. That's almost a 50% increase in my monthly fees. Sadly when my renewal date comes up in March I won't be renewing. Gonna miss O&A but I can't justify $17/month for just them.

I'm impressed with how creative and resourceful Sirius XM management can be at finding exciting new ways to kill the company.

Your behind Ryan . This has been on xmfan.com for the past two weeeks .

Are you effing kidding me? That's the last straw, XM. Goodbye.

As someone who has 3 subscriptions, if this is true, I will soon have no subscriptions. This service has given us less and less yet we are getting charged more and more. You can't keep taxing the subscribers and expect us to take it, you are not the Gov't and you are A LOT easier to change.

Aaaaand we're done.

Thanks RIAA, you've killed satellite radio. No need to lock the doors on the way out, we'll take care of it for you.

The music royalty rate is 6.5 percent for 2009. The cost that is being passed on is $2 per month (according to this article). The monthy rate is $12.95. $2/mth is over 15 percent of 12.95, so how does that make sense.

Thank goodness I got a lifetime subscription when I first got Sirius...

Horse Sh*t! It's yet another Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin grab for cash.

FU Melvin.

Thank goodness I bought the lifetime subscription when I first got Sirius a few years ago...

If people start bitching about this i'm going to puke. Its $2 a month. Get over it.

How does $1.98 equal even 6.5%?

And, they were already paying 6% when the merger documents were filed, so if they are passing along the increase, then it should only be .5%, or 6.5 cents per subscriber.

If I were Sound Exchange, I would be questioning where the rest of the 15% price increase is going.....

It's my opinion that this i why that SiriusXM has been in no rush to launch the Iphone App. As much as they wat to see the increase in subs, they need to cover the royalties that will come along with it.

This one actually seems fair, if you believe the artists actually get a cut of it.

I bought 2 lifetime subscriptions for me and my wife because we hate terrestrial radio. I am still upset that terrestrial radio is not paying these royalty fees. I hope they have to pay the fees soon and when they do I bet they will cut out a lot of the music they play and put more commercials and talk programs. When that happens people will be so disgusted with terrestrial radio they will be signing up for satellite radio by the droves.

I'm waiting to see if they charge more for the iPhone plan. If that increases too I'm done with satrad. I haven't listened to music since I bought my first xm 5 years ago. I'm tired of increases just to listen to the talk content in my office and in my car and having to pay so much when wifi is available in both already.

I only listen to talk radio.

Wait. What?

SatRader's get it in the ass again. lol I love it ! Get that lifetime sub now so Sirius can get a little cash and then lighten your playlist even more or give you another single artist channel , or hell maybe even take a channel or two away from you . SatRader's = Battered wives ! LOL i Love it !

It's finally happened, Sirius has driven me away from their service. When the last price increase came around I cancelled my 2nd radio because I wasn't about to pay an extra $2 a month for an extra radio and now I'll be cancelling my remaining (and only) radio because I'm not giving them any extra money for no increase in service.

Its a shame, I really enjoyed the service but this merger did nothing but increase fee's and take away some of the good stations. I just don't see any reason to pay more for the service when we're not receiving anything extra, in fact if you want something extra (like the Best of XM) you have to pay more. sigh

When will it ever end? Sirius is just nickel and diming us every chance they get. Well, I'm out.

9:07...You may hate terrestrial radio but this performance tax will cause damage to radio stations that provide information that you will never be able to receive on a satellite radio.

This tax will place an undue burden on stations run by small companies that provide play by play for high school sports. Provide local news and information.

It is important to note that radio stations already pay stiff fees to music license services, ASCAP, BMI and Sesac. Performers should receive a portion of those fees.

Performers are also paid by performing concerts.

I think these performers should be thankful that radio (Satrad and Terrestrial) plays their songs. Nobody would know who Dionne Warwick or Emmylou Harris were if it weren't for radio.

During these tough economic times it is not a good idea to impose this stiff tax on stations that are already struggling.

t123

Since Sirius is no longer paying these royality fees shouldn't the base price for their service go DOWN?

If not then this is a PRICE INCREASE from Sirius. There are no ifs ands and butts about it.

Wow. Kuzaak29 you clearly can't read can you?

Maybe you SHOULD give up satellite radio if you can't read. It's not Sirius doing this, it's YOUR federal government run amok with taxes AND terrestrial radio having regulators in their pockets. So go back to the people who ultimately are raising your fees, yep, that makes sense.

March was a different story and still sucks and SIRI needs to still resolve that with loyal customers like myself and others.

And again, its 15%, not 6.5%. Thats a hell of a markup on the fee!

Just the other day i told my girlfriend to remind me not to renew my subscription to XM.

All i listen to is NFL Network and 202. The music channels since Lee Abrams left are............ a fucking joke compared.

Oh well. It was fun while it lasted. They will see no more money from me.

Meanwhile shell out $5 for that latte...

$2 a month today and next month another $2, by next year you'll pay an additional $12 a month!! I am afraid by next year we will cancel too

You can't blame sirius for the goofy acts of congress that the record companies and recording artists managed to buy. Soundexchange is only one part of the copyright fee equation. There's also ASCAP, BMI and SESAC who collect fees for composers and songwriters. Chart here : http://www.futureofmusic.org/articles/broadcastrevenue.cfm


"Maybe you SHOULD give up satellite radio if you can't read. It's not Sirius doing this, it's YOUR federal government run amok with taxes AND terrestrial radio having regulators in their pockets. So go back to the people who ultimately are raising your fees, yep, that makes sense."

No, its NOT the federal government. The government ALLOWED Sirius to pass on these fees, but it was Sirius' choice to pass on these fees.

And, again, $1.98 is 15%, not 6.5%. The government didn't even set these fees, that was sound exchange. The government mediated these fees, as RIAA/Sound Exchange wanted them to eventually be 25%.

Should Sirius pay to play the music that is generating them money? ABSOLUTELY. It's called a cost of goods. They are charging me to hear this music, so the artists should get a cut. Same can be said for any other form of radio. But that's like the Milk companys charging me a cow fee, or the pop company charging me extra for a "water fee" or a "corn syrup fee". Hell, it'd be the same as if my cable company charged me an "ESPN" fee.

so, this weekend, we took a trip out of town. one morning we got to our destination, a little over an hour in the car....we left 5 hours later to go to our hotel and the songs we heard in the vehicle in the morning, we were listening to on our way to the hotel.
another time about a month ago, we had an 1hr 15 minute trip. later that afternoon on the way back, yep....you guessed it, we were hearing repeats.
those of you who claim that XM is better than terrestrial because you can go everywhere without changing channels, well its great if you don't want to hear the same songs...my ipod will keep my music going for days without hearing a repeated song.

i have already cancelled my 2nd radio once the price increase went into affect just because of decreased listening. if increased prices for royalties means hearing repeated songs anytime i jump in my car, i think it will be time to tap out once my subscription runs out.

get over it? did you say that with the increase in family plan subs? with the cost now for internet listening? Mel has you right where he wants to... $2 here, $2 there and you will always be in lockstep with the "It's only $2" mantra...

between that and those that chant the "it still is better than terrestrial" rhetoric, Mel has his blind sheep followers in line

mnxmfan,

You are 100% correct. I don't think most people get it. Those fees have always been part of our subscription price and now they will be charging $1.98 more. So why isn't the base price lowering? We all hate cable with their nickle and diming,but atleast they have a base package price that includes, ESPN,TNT.... and so on. It's all included in the base price. That's the same thing with Sirius XM. Those fees have been part of that $12.95 base package we have all been paying. Guys their bending us over with no lube again.

They just raised rates in March. What are they thinking? I love how everyone wants raise prices when the economy is in the crapper.

In times like these, the notion of paying $$ for radio to the average person is unthinkable - now comes word that it will cost them even more will only solidify their opinion to not bother with it and stick to their ipods, etc.

For those of us with subs, having lost program content and internet access - only to be told that can retained for more money - this is a slap in the face, Yes I realize it's not the company doing it but if the company wants to retain the subs they should at the very least meet us halfway and consider dropping all subs by a dollar, or maybe offer up something instead of "hey, it's the gov't - not us".

I re-upped for a year at half-price. When it's time to renew, I'm done. Slacker gives me all that I need with NO DJ's, no gov't fees and free internet streaming.

And if the day should ever come when Slacker stops doing what I want, I'll just turn to my own music collection and media player. Music is ridiculously simple to get online (legal and otherwise) so really I need to pay more $$ for less of what I enjoy like I need a hole in the head.

Unfortuanly XM will loose me as an online subscriber. I plan on dropping the $2.99 online listening to offset this increase! Thank you Sirius XM.

If you have multiple radios, cancel one. SXM might have a little leverage next time the CRB meets if they can say 'you're literally killing us' - terrestrial radio doesn't pay like this (yet). When the golden egg-laying goose is dead the RIAA will stand there with its mouth gaping, saying "wha happind?"

Slacker, oh when will I be able to get you in the car?

Try the Plus subscription . It is well worth it . Even if the free service was not free anymore it would be worth more than Sirius music channels .

"Meanwhile shell out $5 for that latte..."

I don't waste my money on those things either. As a matter of fact, Starbucks recently closed all locations in my area aside from the one in Target. Guess that strategy is working out real well for them too, isn't it?

Times are tough. I don't buy things at a gas station anymore like I used to, don't buy luxury things, just shelled out money for lifetime Tivo (because they actually continue to innovate and I get more value there using it daily for hours on end).

XM (or what's left of it) shifted from a needed item in my view to a luxury item this past November. I can get bigger playlists with online radio, load up my MP3 player with podcasts for the 5 hours I spend in the car a week, and thanks to most of programming and DJ's being let go or restricted, I no longer feel like I have an emotional tie to the people I pay to hear.

Someone else put it this way -- it would be like my cable company getting rid of Discovery Channel, FX, TNT, etc, and replacing it with channels that are cheaper like QVC, The N, etc and raising my rates as well.

The last time my cable company raised rates, they added channels (not to mention they already provide enough hours of entertainment to justify the price).

What a (%#^&%@ LIE Ryan!

You wrote....

"The reason for this timing has to do with one thing and one thing only: the Federal Communications Commission.

The FCC, in its decision to allow Sirius and XM to merge, authorized the combined company to begin passing along the music royalty fees beginning on July 29, 2009 - beforehand, the satcaster was required to absorb the fees. "

The FCC allowed Sirius XM to pass regulatory fees on to the consumer as part of it's Pricing Regulation requirements.

The satcaster was never "required" to absorb it. They just chose to include it in their regular subscription price, as competitive pressures between XM and SIRI as separate companies forced them to do so, now that they lack that competitive pressure, then they are free to exercise their "monopoly powers" to pass on these pricing increases (tax) to the consumer.

This is exactly what opponents of the merger warned about.

So the rate goes up .5% and the combined company will now pass the entire 7% fee onto it's subscriber? And this is the FCC's fault? Quit being a shill. And call things for what they are.

You want to blame the FCC. Then you should blame them for agreeing to the merger. But, don't sit around and attempt to blame the FCC for price increases disguised as "tax increases" that these companies are clearly passing on to the consumer due to their "monopoly powers"

Mel has "gamed" the "spirit of the rules" yet again. First he gamed the rules to convince the FCC to allow the merger, now he is "gaming" the terms of the rules that he agreed to be bound by.

It goes back to a simple concept. When you reward someone for "breaking the rules" once. This leaves the expectation that future "rules violations" will be met with further rewards.

Stop blaming the FCC for the misdeeds of your boss!!

PCSTEL

"If you renew and extend your current subscription before July 29, 2009, Sirius XM will continue to absorb these increased royalty costs until your next renewal date."

I'm a little confused. If I call and renew for another year before 7/29, I won't have to pay the royalty fees, according to this statement. But the script says the opposite:

"Legacy SIRIUS T&C's: "OK. Mr./Mrs. _______, you've made a great decision. We will renew your service for (Insert plan selection). Your subscription will be subject to the US Music Royalty fee starting July 29th and is governed by our full Terms & Conditions which you can find on our website; please be sure to read it."

Am I misreading this?

Ryan, Any comment/clarification on why $1.98 is a full 15% of the monthly subscription while the royalty fee is only 6.5% of gross revenue? I'm just wondering how the math works out...

You are right!!!

simple, upgrade to a lifetime

I'v never spent $5 on a cup of coffee. I buy a giant container of coffee at costco that is twice the size of the biggest one you can get in the supermarket and it's foldger's yo . You keep paying those increases and getting less for it . Dumbass

I hate terrestrial radio as much as anyone. But, it’s more than endless DJ chatter and commercials that drove me to XM. It was that XM offered a platform where I could hear music options that radio wouldn’t touch. I had a lot of choice and it was really great. But, the service is now a shell of its former self. Several of the stations sound very similar, artists are played on stations where they don’t belong (Play me the gogo’s on 1st wave again and I’ll throw the radio out the window), and stations that were great before the merger are gone.

While I have a lifetime subscription and won’t be hit with these new fees, I think they are terrible. Sirius/XM needs to continue to add more subscribers and paying customers to their ranks. You don’t accomplish that by passing on fees like this. I don’t know if half of you on this thread are serious or will act on your threats to cancel or not renew the service. But, if even a small percentage of existing subs do that, the company looses the full subscription fee when they could have just continued to eat this cost. I think they are absolutely foolish and completely asinine for doing this.

While I’m bitching about this company I want to take an opportunity to say how pathetically they respond to customers or engage us in the product. Sirius/XM needs to figure out this issue really quickly. They changed the stations around during the merger but unless you were a blog reading XM geek like me, you didn’t know about it for days. No warning, just walk out to your car and find everything is different. Then, they are terrible at listening to paying subscribers who had concerns about this and wanted it known we weren’t happy. It’s different when you’re a free service like local radio. They can just shove whatever they want down the listener’s throat. But, when you’re a company that people pay to listen to, you’ve got a different responsibility to insure we’re happy. Finally, the other day, I noted that the repeater here in Phoenix was down. I couldn’t get a signal. I dug up the listener care email address and sent a quick note to them to let them know of the situation explaining that I had been a long-time customer and that I always used a repeater to get a signal in my office. The response was a detailed process of how to aim my antenna to receive a signal from the birds when I just wanted someone to go out and fix the problem. It’s this kind of crap along with terrible customer service from India or some other far off country that makes me nuts.

XM used to have a great product but it is sucking more and more. Raising fees like this and being a completely non-responsive, unengaged company is going to kill it. Wake up, connect with your paying customer and get your head out of your corporate ass.

Wasn't it required as part of the merger that there be no price increases? Maybe a 3-year freeze if my memory serves me. Did the no price increase have an asterisk next to it?

Although under the merger restrictions SXM is permitted to pass along certain increased costs, the planned price increases are far in excess of what is allowed. Please do the math.

The increased cost is one half of one per cent for 2009, but the planned price increase is about 15 per cent.

It ought to be against the law, and it is.

Music Royalty Fees?!!!

SiriusFM plays Music?

All I hear is constant DJ banter, morning zoos by college interns
and jingles after every song on the music channels.

The music royalty fees can't be that high. SiriusXM plays the
same songs over and over again so I would think the royalty
fees must be small for the excessively shrinked playlists.

As others have pointed out, this service has been hemorrhaging
money and the subscribers are the ones who have been bailing
this shitty service out of bankruptcy.

No matter how many people here continue to voice their displeasure
over SiriusFM programming, the service continues to do what it
wants.

SiriusFM: Where The Customer Is Always Wrong!

Originally Posted by Ryan@XMFan.com
"While I do agree with XM passing on the additional royalty rate increase to the customers, I don't agree with the amount they are passing along. The additional fees are 6.4 cents.

Even if they were to charge us the full 6.5% royalty fee instead of just the increased amount, that still only comes to 84 cents per month. They are pocketing the remaining $1.14, which is NOT a tax or fee. They were authorized to pass along royalty rate increases, not additional fees."


I have not listened to a minute of music on XM since I purchased an internet radio for my home. I only listen to sports and news-- but when I checked into the sports/news package I was disappointed to find the cheaper rates did not cover any live sports events. What sports fan would buy that? As soon as my years package expires I am out ( and I got my first radio in year One.)

Whaah, prices are going up all over! Don't like it, stick with Comcast and all the shitty channels. Give up sat. radio, t.v. & get a gym membership fat fucks!

"Majority Support For Local Radio Freedom Act"

"The Local Radio Freedom Act is a non-binding resolution, and even the support of a majority of the House does not -- in itself -- block the Performance Rights Act from being brought to a vote. Also, Local Radio Freedom Act supporters are not obligated to vote against the PRA. But this support for the LRFA may very well discourage royalties supporters from scheduling the PRA for a vote in the full House at this time."

http://www.radioink.com/Article.asp?id=1353862&spid=24698

Too bad, it looks like there may be no over-the-air royalites for terrestrial radio, but they do have to pay for Internet streaming, and their rates are also increasing.

If they raise the price I'm out. I'm not paying more when I get Slacker and Pandora on my phone and I have my ipod. The merged stations are not as good and I lost the online benefits.

Seriously.

You STILL want this merger? Those of you who were lied to at every turn and bought into every bit of crap spewed out by Sirius? It's too late to take it back now. XM can not be put back together, and everyone who was running it is gone now anyway.

I still have two XM radios. I will continue to have them. I don't really see that there's much choice. I have one in my car and one in my home because I live in the middle of nowhere. High speed internet (and Slacker and Pandora) is not an option for me and there are nothing but terrible top 40 and country stations for a hundred miles. It's that or static...or pay through the nose for increasingly bad satellite radio programming.

Sirius-XM is a monopoly, and they have people like me where they want us. What are the options? No competition. I was an XM subscriber and loved it. I tried Sirius and didn't like it. Now I have Sirius whether I want it or not, and I'll be paying even more for it than before. I only listen to news and talk programming and now I'm going to be paying $2 more per radio per month for music that I don't even listen to? For what?

Those of you who want to respond and tell me to cancel or move, don't bother. Those aren't real solutions and you know it. At least I didn't waste my money on the so-called "Best of Sirius" package to get those ancient Howie reruns, since he is constantly on vacation.

You're a big man, Mr. Anonymous...posting hit and run comments. What does getting a gym membership have to do with satellite radio? Nothing. You just post something and run away because you're an ass and no one knows who you are. Pussy.

Please stop with the monopoly talk. Look it up in a dictionary please. Sirius competes with iPod, terrestrial rado, CD's, Pandora, Slacker, the list goes on and on. Just because you do not like the options does not make Sirius a monopoly. Also just because some of the options are not available to you because you live in the middle of nowhere, does not justify your monopoly claim either. Most people do not live in the middle of nowhere.

It would be like saying since I don't like Wendy's, Burger King, Checkers or any other burger joint, then McDonalds has a monopoly. That would be ridiculous.

Mel is tea bagging you subscibers and it's funny.

they have this thing called an Ipod .

".my ipod will keep my music going for days without hearing a repeated song."

Good God man! How much did you spend on - no, not the ipod, but all those songs you've already heard before?? Any you will never hear anything new on that ipod unless you shell out $$ for it.

Note the irony in my fingertips...

Wow, no internet, live in the middle of no where? Where exactly do you live? So, I presume that your using the internet from where you work, or maybe your cell phone to write this post? I know that a lot of people think that podcasts are a thing of the past but it sounds like the alternatives choices that you have are few. Either stayed pissed at SXM, or cancel. Like you, I already canceled a couple of months ago, although I still have an affection for the medium of Satrad and the XM days although I no longer feel mad about what the company no longer gives me.

You said that you don't listen to either your local stations, or SXM music selection so why not try to sub your talk radio habits with podcasts? They are free, a lot of them are updates as soon as the show ends and you don't have to be tied down to SXM anymore. The only thing you won't have is news, but you can watch that when you get home.

You wanted it, (the merger), you got it. Congratulations!! Your Republican buddies helped you make sure this would be resolved before the Dems got in charge. Because as we all knowl... They would have never approved this.

Here's a good idea. Why don't you browse through all the old letter you wrote to the FCC in favor of the merger.

Like this poor soul that opined today and pleads for mercy, and asks the FCC to intervene.

"I'm writing this to inform you of SiriusXM's rate increase. Strting
in July 09 Sirius will add another $1.98 fee on to their
subscription price. The fee is called a royalty fee for music. What
they are doing is wrong and they are over charging with this fee.
This is another way around the rules by wich you set. I hope
someone there will finally look into this and help us consumers
out. We just had an increase not to long ago and they took away
what we were getting as part of our subscription. They took that
away and started charging extra for it. So now we get less for more
money. Does that make any sense? Also ask them why they only have 1
radio that will get the ala-cart. I pray that you the FCC will
stand up for us little guys. Thank You for your Time."

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6520217510


OK Every.. Remember Mel's "talking points".

More choices, lower costs. √
Al la Carte √
A combined company would not be a monopoly or enjoy monopoly powers √
Better Radios √
NAB is not trying to protect the consumer, they are trying to protect Terrestrial Radio √

Well, you got your merger and now you have a weaker competitor to terrestrial radio, Subscribers going down.
You have less choice, and higher costs imposed by a company that now has "monopoly powers".
Where are those Al la carte and interoperable radios?
NAB is laughing their arses off.

And so it goes,
PCSTEL

Even at the 2012 rate of 8.0%, that's only a $0.26 cost increase to SXM from the 2008 royalties. At $2, they are making 700% profit margin on this! How is that legal?

I was a big merger supporter on the premise that Sirius XM has too much competition to pull this kind of crap - and it looks like I'm going to put that theory to the test pretty soon.

If they claim they are not increasing rates, then they cannot include this $2 as revenue, right? If they do, the FCC will not buy this characterization. I'm waiting to get the a bill with my share of the overpriced monthly rent the studio has in NYC.

SO glad I bought lifetimes on my Sirius and XM radio. I've been listening free on Sirius for some time now, XM will be free in about 2.5 yrs.

They can't touch the lifetimers. I knew I made the right decision, no matter how crazy everyone thought I was. Sweet!

Where are all those dolts telling us the merger wouldn't create a monopoly, that there was no "monopoly power", that the proliferation of iPods would keep the price down, that they couldn't possibly raise prices because of Slacker and Wifi in the car, and the plethora of alternatives we consumers have?

So, if I switch to the option without music do I still pay this fee? XM music isn't worth listening to since the merger.

With this price increase plus the multiple radio price increase of a couple months ago, the total price hike for any radios on an account beyond the primary one comes to 57.2 percent (from $6.99 to $10.99). Pretty brazen for a company that is already losing customers over its awful programming decisions.

So now that they're busting the music royalties out of the subscription price and charging extra for them, they can give Howard and Mel their much-deserved raises.

I think the discontent over this will be so great that I wouldn't be surprised if the company does not either reverse this decision or reduce the amount of the fee customers are asked to pay.

If this does happen, this joke of a company will not get another dollar out of me.

Well, I will be down to my last radio soon then... The OEM will be shut off in my car. I will keep my Stiletto 2 only. Once that price goes over the $12.95... It is game over. There are many way's to get Sirius programming free anyway... Don't they know that people with MORE THAN ONE radio just keep shutting them off as rates rise. That is much more lost money. Btw, since the merger, the music SUCKS!

I just don't care anymore. Maybe I'll get the new iPhone or Zune HD. These Sirius executive Mother EFFer's have HUGE balls. Fuck em.

My thoughts exactly.

Your comments are especially powerful since you've gone on record here multiple times in support of this company. As you said, those with multiple radios (otherwise known as "their best customers") suffer the biggest penalty.

Maybe they could connect some kind of circuit to the radio's knobs to shock listeners when they want to change stations. That would be just about the only way I could think of that they could drive away customers more quickly than what they are doing.

I think this fee is ridiculous! I do not understand what makes crappy commercial radio so special.... $14 a month for radio seems kind of high considering most new cars on the road now offer so many alternatives ( usb slot, multiple cd changers, etc ).... we will have to see what happens to the sub #'s from here.... I have a feeling this will do damage.

Is this the official word from sirixm or is everyone just speculating? If its true, its just like everything else in this world. Everything has gone up over the last few years, dramatically. I will say, if you can not afford something, you should eliminate it from your budget. I see many of you are still complaining about the changes in november, maybe it's time for you to move on.

there are the cheapest people here.. damn..

Why not complain about the changes made in November. For US XM'ers. Its become repeat radio. I hear the same rotation of artists all the time. And if you listen enough, you hear the same songs all the time.

And yeah. Having 2 radios now will cost me 5 bucks more a month now than it did 6 months ago. Not to mention. BOS. If I had that on both. Mark it up another 4 bucks per radio.

IT IS a monopoly.. Because SIRIUS and XM were neck and next.. Comparing radio to ipods and shit like that is nonsense.

ipods, terrestrial rado, CD's, Pandora, and Slacker... are NOT satellite radio

therefore, the company DOES have a monopoly

we, as paying customers, have the right to be pissed about the price increases and the decline of the programming we loved.

by the way if your radio breaks and you call up to swap another radio for the broken one on your account, they charge a fee of 15 bucks to do this. considering the products don't last all that long anyway (less than 2 years) I thought this was particularly rude.

I don't object to paying royalty fees to the artists. I believe they should be fairly compensated for their songs. But I will pay these types of fees on MY TERMS. I'll do it through Slacker, through purchasing songfile downloads, and through purchasing CD's. I would rather pay these royalty fees by paying through sources that provide music and songs I enjoy listening to. Slacker and Amazon provides them - sirius XM doesn't. I was long overdue for cancelling my XM account anyway.

This is a far cry from the "more choices, better product, cost effective, consumer friendly" nonsense Mel was spewing at the antitrust hearings.

I've again, only seen total chaos for longtime subscribers who had their favorite music channels pulled out from under them without warning, a rate increase on multiple radios, a rate increase for online, and now a royalty fee...which is way more than it should be.

This has failure written all over it.

Let's see. 2 bucks x 12 = $24.00 / year.

1 seat to an NFL game / per game - about $100.00.

1 fill up - 36.00

1 oil change - I think you get my point.

If your complaining about 24.00 / year, your doing it for political reasons. You are mad that you lost money, You work for the NAB, or something.

But good grief, if you have a problem with this complain to the folks who enforce this cost. Complain to congress and tell them that SatRadio, should live by the same rules as TerRad.

Equal pay for both. Now.

Any extra charge sucks, and is against the propaganda that Mel said no rising sub costs, but I cant live without Stern, Area38, the loft, coffehouse, and NPR 24 hours a day. each channel has some issues, but Im trying to dump them email every day to voice my concerns. I also listen to a lot of podcasts. a couple that were on sirius stars years ago. lets try to focus our desires directly to SiriusXM, we might get a little of what we want.

A few years ago, Dish Network and Direct TV attempted to merge. The same FCC that later allowed the Sirius-XM merger would not allow them to merge. But shouldn't Direct TV and Dish Network have been allowed to merge because of competition from videocassettes, DVDs, broadcast TV, and cable? No, said the government...that would be a monopoly.

Same shit, different year. The FCC looked at the exact same circumstances regarding satellite radio and approved a merger.

A monopoly is a monopoly. Case closed.

I agree. Why pay MORE money for LESS music (shorter playlests.) They seem to cater to what celebrities feel like playing and not what paying customers want to hear, you can't even make a request. FM radio now has bigger playlists.

The price of anything else -- a football ticket, Starbucks coffee, etc. -- is irrelevant. Even if those prices did have any bearing on this, how many prices have gone up 57 percent in a few months?

Moreover, the issue here is not $2, it's, first, that the merger was sold on the basis of no price increases for three years, and so far there have been several (higher multiple radio fee, new cancellation fees, radio swap fees); second, the product the company is providing has dramatically worsened since the "channel merger," and, third, the company has so far been completely unresponsive to subscribers' concerns about the destruction of good programming, so the additional fee adds insult to injury. So, tipper, your suggestion to focus these complaints directly on the company, while logical, would be pointless to follow: Emails from myself and others draw form-letter responses that say, in effect, "We are the "radio experts" who know best -- your opinions don't matter."

Also, smiteboy, you're correct, this is a monopoly -- and a particularly obnoxious one, given this company's behavior. The tired argument advanced by this company and its supporters -- that alternatives for this service exist -- has no bearing whatsoever on whether Sirius XM has a monopoly in the satellite radio business.

Finally, this "measly $2 increase" really isn't $2 for anyone who has multiple radios. I used to have four. If I still had that number, I would have seen my bill go up $8 a couple months ago and another $8 now, putting the bill for four radios at well over $50. I'd pay it if we had a decent service, as XM used to be, but the dull, repetitive, stale programming this company delivers just isn't worth that.

The price of anything else -- a football ticket, Starbucks coffee, etc. -- is irrelevant.

Moreover, the issue here is not $2, it's, first, that the merger was sold on the basis of no price increases for three years, and so far there have been several (higher multiple radio fee, new cancellation fees, radio swap fees); second, the product the company is providing has dramatically worsened since the "channel merger," and, third, the company has so far been completely unresponsive to subscribers' concerns about the destruction of good programming, so the additional fee adds insult to injury. So, tipper, your suggestion to focus these complaints directly on the company, while logical, would be pointless to follow: Emails from myself and others draw form-letter responses that say, in effect, "We are the "radio experts" who know best -- your opinions don't matter."

Also, smiteboy, you're correct, this is a monopoly -- and a particularly obnoxious one, given this company's behavior. The tired argument advanced by this company and its supporters -- that alternatives for this service exist -- has no bearing whatsoever on whether Sirius XM has a monopoly in the satellite radio business.

Finally, this "measly $2 increase" really isn't $2 for anyone who has multiple radios. I used to have four. If I still had that number, I would have seen my bill go up $8 a couple months ago and another $8 now, putting the bill for four radios at well over $50. I'd pay it if we had a decent service, as XM used to be, but the dull, repetitive, stale programming this company is delivering just isn't worth that.

All I can say is, how in the world can Slacker and Pandora stay in business with these royalty rates ?

And how the Phuck can Terrestrial radio keep getting away with this crap of paying ZERO !

"Good God man! How much did you spend on - no, not the ipod, but all those songs you've already heard before?? Any you will never hear anything new on that ipod unless you shell out $$ for it.

Note the irony in my fingertips..."

I've got a few songs on my iPod, all of which were free. Most of iPod listening is to podcasts, where I'm introduced to new music all the time. Oh, the cost of these podcasts - they're free.

Try again.

Amazing how many times people can be wrong about the same thing over and over and over again.

You fail to understand the meaning of the word monopoly. Go get the board game, maybe it will help.

Audio entertainment is what we are dealing with here people. SatRad is one form of it. You can't break down catagories into it's little pieces and say, "Oh that's a monopoly." Cable TV, now there's a monopoly. For many people SatTV is not an option because of building or community rules, and there's nowhere esle to go. That's when you have a monopoly.

There are plenty of other choices to listen to in your car, home or at your computer. Therefore by definition, SatRad can not be a monopoly.

If you don't want to pay for it, don't. Listen to free radio, turn on your ipod, jerk off, do whatever you want. Just stop being ignorant.

So glad I got my Slacker and an mp3 player. Why do I even worry about XM anymore? Oh wait, it doesn't even exist. HAHA

I'll torrent O&A and say FUCK YOU SIR to Mel Karmazin and his "merge" monopoly.

Melvin Alan "Mel" Karmazin's "merge" MONOPOLY is looking better and better! Sure wish the sheep rejected the "merge" for the MONOPOLY it is.

FU Melvin!

I'm not sure what your point is. It seems like you're arguing against yourself. If you're saying the FCC is an authority on the matter of what a monopoly is, then you're contradicting yourself. Just like the FCC did.

The FCC is one of the most unconstitutional organizations ever created. They said that the SatTV merger was a monopoly and said the SatRad merger wasn't. They are the most usless thing in our government.

The fact is that the 2 SatTV companies should have been able to merge, becuase yes there are other choices, there's still free TV (what's left of it) and more importantly, cable TV. Meanwhile the FCC supports the cable TV monopoly over and over again, proving their loyalties lie with those who line their pockets. Cable TV is the only choice for many people. Free TV reception is all but gone and SatTV is not an option for many with association rules or living in apartments/condos. When your options are down to one, you now have a monopoly.

Audio entertainment in your car, house or on your computer is far away from one.

The argument is that sirius isnt actually raising the base price, its more of a tax for the Royalty fee, wich was the agreemant with the fcc, they did come out with the merge were you can get both sirius and xm, and with a starmate 5 radio you can get the al acart package. Not saying i agree with the increes though.

"Good God man! How much did you spend on - no, not the ipod, but all those songs you've already heard before?? Any you will never hear anything new on that ipod unless you shell out $$ for it."

yeah, because I never hear repeats at all during the day on satrad *rolls eyes*

i did a pretty good job of finding new music before I had satrad...and that was without listening to terrestrial, and I am pretty confident I can find new music after satrad.

I am actually hearing less and less on the station i listen to now compared to when I first got XM....now it seems to me like the same stuff that was overplayed when it came out, and all of that stuff that I liked is already on my ipod, leaving out the stuff that I don't like. I even notice the repetitiveness on the stations my wife listens to, and I cannot stand her music and even notice the repetition.

i remember back when i got satrad and there were CD's i bought that i heard the majority of it on XM before I would even get it...but those days are looooong gone. I can't justify paying more for a product I have listened to less and less over the past year.

keep telling yourself that it's only $2 extra, and that it is still better than terrestrial, and you will keep Mel's chicklet teeth grinning from ear to ear.

Blackberry Storm + Pandora / Slacker Apps + line in on my car stereo = goodbye forever XM. I'll CONSIDER getting an online only account if they ever make an app for blackberry. That way I can get the Virus live on the go... but that's a big if.

Until then, I'll obtain my shows from 202 elsewhere. You're nickel and dimeing me to death, Mel. You took away my favorite music channels and made the other ones that I liked way worse, raised prices on my multiple radios once already and now you're doing it again? I'm not bending over anymore.

How is this charge any different from "usage" fees you pay with phone, cable, etc? They aren't part of your package, they're listed as a separate line item on your bill and they seem to increase over time also. It's just an annoying part of having that service. And $2 is a lot less than cable and phone companies charge. Fortunately, Sirius XM, unlike your cable and phone companies, will let you lock in your subscription for a lifetime and avoid paying those fees if you wish.

Is this confirmed? All I can seem to find is chatter and rumors of it. I called XM today to complain about it and the operator acted as though I was off my rocker and had no idea what I was talking about..... so is it just a rumor or is it definately going to happen? also, they can't apply it to my current year-long subscription right?

Is this confirmed? All I can seem to find is chatter and rumors of it. I called XM today to complain about it and the operator acted as though I was off my rocker and had no idea what I was talking about..... so is it just a rumor or is it definately going to happen? also, they can't apply it to my current year-long subscription right?

Oh and what happens to those of us who pay $77/yr? is that out the window now?

It's still not even close to a monopoly - and this will become obvious after the price increase. They are risking $13 to gain $2. This is not a winning strategy, especially in this environment.

Amen brother. This is a monopoly and it's exactly what I was afraid of. XM was vastly different to Sirius. Before there was a choice, now none exists.

I loved XM, I'm indifferent to Sirius but the reality is the costs have massively increased. I'm down to 2 radios now from double digits a couple years ago but my 2 radios cost $20/month and I got internet access with that.

This same package is now $30/month, a 50% increase. $2 for the family plan radio, $2/each radio for royalty fees and $4 for internet access. If I added BOS to each radio my bill would nearly double to $38/month.

I don't see it as another $24/year I see it as the whole cost for the service.

I did pay $240/year for the service. Do I now want to pay $360/year or cancel and save that money? I'm finally out, I'd rather have the $360/year than the product SiriusXM sells, it's not worth it anymore.

Oh Jesus! Stop complaining! Did you cancel your subscription when Comcast drilled it up your a*hole by increasing fees like 10% a year?

And if so, then go ahead and cancel! Do you not think they took into consideration cancellations and based their increase on a balanced number that would compensate for canceled cry-babies?

Jason..... Thats so not true about satellite TV. Go to the FCC's website and read all about it. Home associations and Condo associations can't keep you from getting satellite tv. I just moved out of a Condo and they tried pulling that crap with me a couple years ago. I went straight to the FCC website printed out the ruling along with a phone number. I turned that in and they shut their mouths real quick. Plus apartment complexes can't keep you from getting service from a differnt cable or satellite company. Seriously google it or go to the FCC site.

No, ass...because if you don't like Comcast, you can go to a competing cable company or get a dish. If you don't like what Sirius-XM is doing, where do you go? THAT'S a monopoly. Don't tell us to stop complaining...it's time to complain. We're getting screwed. If you don't want to see complaining, you've sure picked a hell of a place.

Oh Poor Jason,

There you go again sounding like an ignorant douche. You really are the embarrassment of the family. You so desperately want to make a meaningful point, but lack the intelligence to do so. I don't recall raising you to be a sheep, but it appears that you've become one.

Please avoid shaming the family further and just keep your unintelligent mouth shut. If you do, I'll get you an autographed photo of Mel Karmazin, your new leader.

Bah Bah Black Sheep.

With Regrets,
Mother

Dear Listener,

You must have caught Jason's stupid. You poor thing. If you were really a "listener", you would have heard that Mel is sticking it in your behind. Then again you never were the brightest bulb. Your taste in music was always crap, so I can see why you are content to listen to the same songs in basically the same order every day.

I am going to get in touch with Jason's Mom and see if we can get you two like-minded simpletons a play date.

Mom

Excellent points/comparasion!!!!!

Wish I had thought of that. A poster on another site keeps posting: "Mel & Malone are gonna save SiriusXM, just you wait & see!!!"

I NEVER thought I would say/think: this company should fail because it's gone downhill so damn fast. But since what has happened since the acquisition/merger that's what needs to happen.

That's what has so sadly happened to my way of thinking. Two years ago I would have slapped myself for even THINKING that.

sincerely,

Recondo72

Good points as always.

I too got at least 6 "canned" responses. Simply put, the current organization is not listening to a damn thing.

I propose a mass notice of cancelation to be held in major metropolitian areas. Atlanta or Charlotte would be my geographical location. We need to physically be together and demonstrate our displeasure. E-mails ain't gonna cut it one bit. I'll take two days of vacation to travel to XM in DC or Sirius in NYC if that is what it takes.

This shit has gone too far and its time we took our brand of broadcasting back.

Sincerely,

Recondo72
(standard reply procedure firewalled)

"If they claim they are not increasing rates, then they cannot include this $2 as revenue, right?"

Well they are not lowering the $12.95 a month fee they are charging now, they are adding $2 more a month on.

To me thats a price increase.

I don't see how this could be legal.

I cancelled back in January because of shitty progamming and the cancellation of channels. A price increase at this stage in XM/Sirius' existance is really chiken shit to the current subscribers. I say dump it and let the assholes fail.

To those that say "It's only $24 a year" lets start a math lesson:

Base subscription (included everything pre-merger): $155.40
Internet fees: $36 per year
MRF: $24 per year

So, I now pay $60 more ($215.40 for those keeping track at home) for the same thing I got for 155.40 12 months ago? What happens in another 12 months when we get an "increased cost of programming" fee for another $2, and when the $2 goes to $3 the year after that, and then, when thats all said and done and they can actually raise the base rate (which is something Mel really wants to do AND WILL the second he can) to $16. When do we say "enough is enough"?

And yes, cable and sat tv do the same thing, but in case you haven't been paying attention, more and more people are cancelling those lately to, in favor of Netflix, Blockbuster, etc. And usage based things like electric, water, and gas, go up as well but people cut back on driving, turn up the thermostat, etc.

This is THE YEAR to trim costs, EVERYONE (including SXM) is doing it. Every company, every person, and yes even government. As has been the buzz word, this is the year of need not want. I feel like I need cable, but I feel like I want satelite radio.

Oh, and my power bill went up $6 a year, AND I already paid them $550 last year. Cable went up $20 a year, but already paid them $1800 (maybe its time to cut the cord there as well). Raising prices is one thing, but when something that starts at $155 jumps to $215, you start to question it.

And I can almost GUARANTEE that nobody was defending gas prices last year at having gone up "only $2". People are bitching now, and it is $1.50 a gallon cheaper than it was last year and about half the price of a gallon of milk!

For the record, i hope this comment doesn't also get yanked, as it seems that everything posted on here (article wise) is leaked from Sirius/XM employees...

Long story short, THERE WAS NO MERGER... ON THE BOOKS IT IS AND WAS DOCUMENTED AS AN "ACQUISITION"...

Meaning Mel can renege on all of those false promises that were made to subscribers, to the FCC, and the DOJ...

Historically XM had a suit case brought against them and settled around the time that the original XMP3 players (Helix, Inno, Nexus) launched. This was because these devices were not DRM9 or 10 products and to keep NABB, and RIAA happy... So a settlement was made, the first rate hike (which had the royalty fee baked into it was born) - this was the first hike from the original 9.99 per subscription for first radio to the infamous 12.95 increase...

Unfortunately, Sirius does not have a leadership team in place that can make business savvy or conscious decisions as it relates to programming, satellite launches (notice this is their first "geostationary" satellite, and XM has been doing "geostationary" since inception because it's the smarter choice), customer satisfaction and incentives, and of course internal recognition and organic growth of those that continue to attempt to contribute to make the company successful. Instead you have a beaurocracy that nickels and dimes its subscriber base. Underpays its employees that actually do work, and empower individuals that are lacking in the skills and knowledge to make the best decisions to ensure the best outcome for this company.

For the record, XM is considered a "subsidiary" of Sirius.

We all feel pretty strong about this topic so why aren't we filing complaints with the FCC, FTC, or your State Attorney General's office of Consumer Affairs. Regardless of your personal feelings on the effectiveness of these governement organizations enough complaints might get the attention of the government or of a good class-action lawyer.

thank you. satellite radio is as much of a monopoly as playing cassettes, or cds, or mp3s for your audio only entertainment.

when people claim "monopoly" they are saying that the only way that they can hear the music (note, it's normally not sports, news, or talk, it's only MUSIC and its one genre of music at that) they want is from satellite radio. not from their mp3 players, or cd players, or cassette tape players, or free terrestrial radio. only from satellite radio. i do not believe that for a second, especially on the mp3 player or cd player front, with mp3s easily acquirable and players that hold a few gigs of music pretty cheap.

my only gripe with this tax being passed on to satrad listeners is that the terrestrial stations don't have to. and they're the main abusers of music. this is a tax paid to the music industry so they can churn out more no-talent hacks that can crack a long note and nothing else, essentially more american karaoke losers. and they're all losers, even the "winner".

but then again, when clear channel, citadel, cbs radio, emmis, radio one, etc. are in the back pockets of the ones who write the legislation and want satellite radio to fail spectacularly and push the real failed medium in hd radio (you want to talk about satellite radio being horrible, try listening to a side channel of an hd station, if the station even broadcasts in hd and has a side channel) that's to be expected.

as it stands right now, i am a sirius lifer and i'm not affected by this. but it still doesn't mean that i can't say that it sucks for everyone who has to pay for this.

Replied to EVERYONE.

Are all of you paying by the month or what the fuck?! If you cant afford to sign a multi year or lifetime, cancel and move on, or quit bitching. Before they started charging for on-line listening, they told everyone and offered people the chance to extend thier contracts to avoid the costs. Extend your contract and shut the fuck up!

MNXMFAN, You sure got a lot to bitch about! I still pay $155.40 a year. Looks like you fucked up, maybe you should learn to save a few bucks. You point out that this service is not a necessity, then you insist on complaining?, follow your own point and cancel, you are running your mouth about the same shit here that you do at xmfan. BTW, this is your year to trim costs, dont assume everyone in the world is in your sinking ship because you heard it on the news. So in closing, cancel satrad, stop posting at satrad websites and enjoy your digital cable. Maybe go for a walk around phalen lake, at night. Just a suggestion.

For us XM'ers? fuck off. You seem to think XM was operating with a profit! XM was losing money faster than MNXMFAN. This was not a hostile takeover, these companies merged to become profitable, if you are not happy with the repeat playlist, turn the fucking channel every now and then or cancel. I listen to mostly music and have found that since the merge, they are expanding the playlists, it seems that they are rotating their songs to utilize the smaller memory they are working with.

Your name is "commonsense," but the company you're defending has none of it.

On your points:

1. No, I have no desire to hand Sirius XM many months' fees in advance and "shut the fuck up." Since November, they've taken away most of my reason for listening, so I've already taken the excellent advice rendered elsewhere in your post and availed myself of the opportunity to cancel all but my main radio. If I had paid those in advance, I'd have been out the money I've saved.

2. Your "just cancel" advice -- which is, incidentally, being heeded by a large number of customers -- is based on the idea that if you don't like something, the only option is simply to walk away. I would like to have a quality satellite radio product similar to what I once enjoyed, and since the purpose of this forum is to discuss this medium, I am doing that. Why should the vast majority of people who seem not to agree with this company's actions "shut the fuck up"? If you don't like what people are writing, you are under no obligation to read it.

Since you seem to be a supporter of Sirius XM's actions, why not write a proactive post defending this latest fee increase, the previous one in March, and the changes to the channel lineup? This merger was sold as a boon to the consumer, so why not just list the many ways the satellite radio product is better now than it was a year ago at this time. The general consensus of nearly everyone is that it's far worse -- and that's why the price increases are so unpopular: They add insult to injury.

xcountry -

Well said. I guess it's not politically correct to disapprove of bungling, ineffectual management, price hikes, lying and the general scorn that Sirius/XM has for its subscribers. What people don't seem to understand is this: If subscribers don't continue to dissent, with the purpose of holding this company to a standard that they (Sirius/XM) themselves would NEVER come close to maintaining if left to their own devices, these people who are ruining.... that is... running Sirius/XM will continue the disgraceful abuse and complete disregard for the millions of loyal PAYING customers that are the very lifeblood of satellite radio.

What we are witnessing is a textbook example of absolute betrayal. I've said all along that if the product was offered at a great price, without all the nickle and dime-ing bullshit and complicated price plans AND if they would treat the subscribers like human beings instead of like shit - satellite radio would be pretty hard to resist. You would see sub numbers jump like you never imagined. So far, this company has done everything in its power to avoid everything I just suggested. They deserve to be in the horrible mess they are in; they've brought it on themselves, and they seem to be commited to staying the same course until the whole thing crashes and burns. They are their own worst enemy.

Thank god for all the "complainers." Without you, we would be down to, Oh.... perhaps the Disney channel, Sirius Hits One, and maybe Watercolors - 12.99 for any two of these three channels.... 16.99 for all three. The sad thing is - if this were to happen - half the posters would rationalize that the price of everything goes up, and well, it still beats terrestrial.

It is time to stop being nice to this company. They need to understand just how pissed off everybody is (do they even notice that subs are cancelling left and right?), and they need to be held accountable for all the bullshit that they have put people through. It is sad that, incredibly, so many people have constructive advice that could help this company prosper - if they would only take their heads out of their asses and listen. They can't control the economy, the car sales decline, or the continued corruption of our own government. However, there is NO excuse for the ignorance that they demonstrate on a daily basis, and the people who tolerate their stupidity and indifference are only enabling them to continue the same behavior.

It takes one hell of a bunch of screw ups to mangle satellite radio the way they have. A great product like this deserves to be heard, and it deserves to be marketed correctly. What a shame to see so much potential go unfulfilled.

Indeed, the unfulfilled potential of satellite radio is a real shame, for I love radio and I loved this radio service. That's why I don't just cancel and forget it.

What Sirius XM is doing flies in the face of all logic and common sense. Much could be done with creative marketing, such as:

1. Lower the price for additional radios to a declining fee, such as $9 for the first additional radio, $7 for the second, $5 for the third through fifth. Reward the good customers and create an incentive to buy more equipment, rather than doing as they are now, which is creating an incentive to cancel radios.

2. Give customers something when you announce a price increase. Make it seem win-win. For example, restore X number of deleted XM channels in exchange for the royalty fee, or offer an additional radio added to the account free for a year or two in exchange for the royalty fee, with the provision that the radio must be an additional unit -- all existing radios must remain activated for the extra unit to continue to be free. This creates a type of "golden handcuffs," where you have to keep paying for what you have to keep getting something extra for free.

3. Make an active, obvious effort to involve listeners in programming decisions. Set up a website for listeners to post suggestions for each channel, suggest new channels, etc. Make it inviting, lively, energetic -- an online listener community. Have people register for a limited number of free studio tours, or something similar. This company desperately needs to re-establish some subscriber goodwill, and it needs to seem like a friendly entity rather than a faceless, cold utility company, which is how it seems now.

4. Instead of having stupid single-artist channels that nearly everyone hates, set up two or three channels as "trial format" channels based on listener suggestions. When a channel commands strong listenership, make it part of the regular lineup.

The problem with this company isn't the two-buck price increases -- it's an overall "screw you" attitude that shows through in nearly everything they do. There is no excuse for this given the nature of what they're selling, which is a nonessential "luxury" product that is very easy for people to live without.

I just wanted to pile on to the list of folks seriously considering cancelling. It's not so much the price increases, but the content changes, especially after the merger. The only thing stopping me is the fact that I don't have reliable cell coverage during all of my daily commute, so satellite is really my only option for live talk and sports. With the Blackberry Slacker app and my iPod, I have really noticed the sound quality issues folks have criticized. I was also pretty dissapointed with the content changes after the merger for the same reasons everyone else is. Shallower playlists, FM style DJ chatter, and the loss of channels. I miss Fine Tuning the especially. I have also noticed that the commercials and live reads and increased quite a bit on formerly XM exclusive shows. I have started downloading shows from audible and other sources after they air simply to avoid the commercials. If the cell coverage along my commute improves to the point that I can stream audio from my Blackberry reliably, that would make my decision a lot easier.

watching SatRad Die is fun and makes me happy !

Stop........ you guys are making good business sense and are trying to improve the company. This will never work here at Sirius XM, please accept your pink slip and leave. We only want backword thinking FM cast offs that are secretly trying to make the product worse and destroy the company.

On a serious note why is it so hard the highly "experienced" upper management see what they are doing wrong?

And why is it so hard for people to admit that if you make $2 billion a year and can't turn a profit then you are doing something very very wrong.

@commonsense

They told you if you extend you won't get charged for the online, however that wasn't the case. I got billed 3 times for it and had to go to the executive level to get it resolved. It was a classic bait & switch. XM's customer service used to be great, it now is Comcastic

"watching SatRad Die is fun and makes me happy !"

I didn't know Mel Karmazin visits this site!

Well whatever makes you happy, just as long as you know you're watching something made up in your head.

SatRad is not dying just because a bunch of people complain about inane subjects like false monopolies and $2 taxes on a blog board.

Please realize all of the whinners are an extremely small percentage of the customer fanbase. It's like the percentage of people that listen to a talk radio show opposed to the people that actually call in.

SatRad is so infinitely better than any other option for sports and talk that all of the noise from the music listeners just does not matter. Sorry but it's true. This service is a godsend for anyone on a long trip or who drives for a living. Do you know how many damn truckers have SatRad? Like all of them. And they're not listening to Sirius Hits 1 and complaining that they play too much Miley Cyrus. They like the talk and sports. As do most people who have a subscription.

I've said it before, if music is the most important thing to you, I do not understand why you would pay for SatRad. Just play your CD's or MP3's. Music is a bonus as far as I'm concerned. I'd stay a subscriber if the only thing Sirius provided was their sports and talk shows. And yes, I'm in the majority.

Sirius has had to overcome some insane obstacles just to stay in business through this recession when giants like Circuit City have fallen. Mel gets hammered on these boards, when in my opinion he's the savior of the company. Without him the stock holders would certainly have nothing left at this point. Instead, there's a lot of hope now that the company will not only survive but become very profitable as the largest subscription based service in the country.

"For us XM'ers? fuck off. You seem to think XM was operating with a profit! XM was losing money faster than MNXMFAN. This was not a hostile takeover, these companies merged to become profitable, if you are not happy with the repeat playlist, turn the fucking channel every now and then or cancel. I listen to mostly music and have found that since the merge, they are expanding the playlists, it seems that they are rotating their songs to utilize the smaller memory they are working with. "

For the record, I am not now, nor will I ever be, losing money. But I do work hard for my money and make decisions on how to spend my money.

And also, for the record, Sirius was bleeding money just as fast, if not faster, than XM. The difference is, the Sirius growth curve was drying up, while XM's was continuing to ramp. Sirius NEEDED XM to survive, otherwise they would have started posting subscriber losses with or without a recession, which would have made pleas for more money look foolish.

Third, I spoke with the CSO yesterday who claims that most of the increase is to pay the back fee's that date back to 2007. If that's true, encouraging us XM'ers to cancel only means you get to pay more and for longer, so shoot yourself in the foot!

You call yourself common sense, but it takes common sense to look at how you spend your money and whether it's worth it, regardless of how you are doing financially. I'm doing quite well, and XM's price increases wouldn't change that if it were three hundred times what it is now. But with that said, I don't throw my money away on things that don't bring me joy. I don't need XM to live, and that $215 a year could be better spent on so many other things, or saved. Forgive me for wanting to hang on to my money, douchebag.

Also, personally, the reason I'm mad isn't really the money at all. I'm pissed that I was lied to and told the merger would create more choices for less money.

It is costing Sirius XM AT LEAST 30% less to put out the product than it did a year ago, yet I am being asked to pay 35% more. So, were they really operating at a 70% loss?

And the ironic thing is, the more people that do cancel leaves less people to pay the remaining bills, and it means programming will further go downhill.

I was told last night that so many people are cancelling because of music programming that they really ARE thinking of making some major changes. Why would any company, that knows it's not getting MY pity, disclose that unless there was at least some element of truth to it?

Lets see how many subs they lose in this quarter and next. I HIGHLY doubt they will post any positive sub growth this year, and once that hits, there WILL be changes at the top.

"To those that say "It's only $24 a year" lets start a math lesson:

Base subscription (included everything pre-merger): $155.40
Internet fees: $36 per year
MRF: $24 per year

So, I now pay $60 more ($215.40 for those keeping track at home) for the same thing I got for 155.40 12 months ago? What happens in another 12 months when we get an "increased cost of programming" fee for another $2, and when the $2 goes to $3 the year after that, and then, when thats all said and done and they can actually raise the base rate (which is something Mel really wants to do AND WILL the second he can) to $16. When do we say "enough is enough"?"

You've hit the nail on the head here. People are notorious for the "it's only $.50 or $1 or $2" excuse. Over time, all those little increases add up to big increases. Time to take a stand!

mnxmfan... You said:

"I was told last night that so many people are cancelling because of music programming that they really ARE thinking of making some major changes. Why would any company, that knows it's not getting MY pity, disclose that unless there was at least some element of truth to it?"

Where did you get this information from that they might be making major changes? Any specifics?

I'm going to cancel one of the receivers on my account. With the poor sound quality and stale music programming, it's just not worth $9.96 per month. However, some major changes to their programming may make me rethink this decision. I can deal with poor sound quality, but not stale content.

I am upset about the format and price changes as well as many of you, my point being, this is not the official word from sirixm, I have not paid a cent extra on any of my subscriptions and quite frankly I have never seen so many peopole get upset about a couple hundred bucks a year. This company is making the changes needed to become profitable, your constant complaining about "the way it used to be" means nothing to this company. They have said in the past that if and when they become profitable, they will expand the channel lineup and playlists. If you want to constantly complain about the service, than yes, by all means CANCEL, most of you constantly write, "I'm going to cancel if...", just fucking do it already. Xm's push stategy in their marketing has set this company up well, the exception being the people here, Most subscribers are not as passionate about the service as we are and see no problem with programming at all, now I could constantly bring up the past and torture myself, eventually cancel in anger, or I can wait and see what happens. I e-mail sirixm no less than four times daily. So my recommendation that you cancel is genuine, if you are going to compare current services to the past, you will never be happy, and to be honest, I am sick of hearing about it. I dont agree with the companies decisions, but I am willing to give them a chance before I cancel.

Yes, but when your talking about a $5 total increase to keep getting what we did less than a year ago, the fact that programming has gone downhill is actually an important distinction to make.

Had they raised prices 35% two years ago, I would have gladly paid them. XM, at one point, was $9.99, and they raised rates 30%, and I GLADLY paid, because it was worth it.

Now, they have cut far more than 50% of the value for me, and want me to pay 35% more for it? As someone who was passionate about the service, I feel at least I should tell them so, and try to get as many others who do to do the same.

Because those who aren't passionate about the service leave every day. Monthly CHURN is 2.1%. That means that, in a normal year nearly 25% of all self paying (this doesn't count trials) subscribers outright leave. They don't complain, they don't bitch, they just cancel, because they honestly don't care.

That means that the AVERAGE sub lasts only 4 years, and thats including the diehard fans that have hung on for 7. As more diehards leave, that number of years per sub will drop.

Didn't they almost go bankrupt and lose 404,400 subs in 3 months ? When it dies i will think of you crying and upset and i will get all warm inside .

Jason, does your last name happen to be Karmazin? If not, then do you work for Sirius XM? I am just tying to get an idea of where the immature nonsense you are posting is coming from. I don't think that there are many people here that are even acknowledging your comments except for those that you are directly attacking. You are stating your opinion as fact when there is no basis for it. If you don't like people speaking their minds, then it is you that should go somewhere else because it is very unlikely that the rest of us are going to leave just because you don’t want to hear what we have to say. Let’s take a look at some of the ridiculous statement you've posted:


You said:
SatRad is not dying just because a bunch of people complain about inane subjects like false monopolies and $2 taxes on a blog board.

Response:
Really? Over a million customers fled shortly after the music channels were combined. Customer Service stated that customer dissatisfaction with the new product as the number one reason for subscribers cancelling their subscriptions. Sirius XM counts factory installed units as new subs when people call to have the radio in their new car activated for the free period. That is why the loss seems less drastic than it really was. Let’s see how quarter two turns out.

You said:
Please realize all of the whinners are an extremely small percentage of the customer fanbase. It's like the percentage of people that listen to a talk radio show opposed to the people that actually call in.

Response:
How the hell could you possibly know if this is the case? You are just stating your opinion here; there is NOTHING to back up your statement.

You said:
SatRad is so infinitely better than any other option for sports and talk that all of the noise from the music listeners just does not matter. Sorry but it's true.

Response:
This is again just your opinion mixed with blatant ignorance. How can you say this is true? What are you basing your opinion on? You are essentially talking out of your ass.

You said:
This service is a godsend for anyone on a long trip or who drives for a living. Do you know how many damn truckers have SatRad? Like all of them. And they're not listening to Sirius Hits 1 and complaining that they play too much Miley Cyrus. They like the talk and sports. As do most people who have a subscription.

Response:
You are talking out of your ass once again. All truckers have SatRad? Have you performed surveys to get this information? What kind of statement is “Like all of them”? What are you, a 13 year old girl? What kind of horse-shit statement is that?

You Said:
I've said it before, if music is the most important thing to you, I do not understand why you would pay for SatRad. Just play your CD's or MP3's. Music is a bonus as far as I'm concerned. I'd stay a subscriber if the only thing Sirius provided was their sports and talk shows. And yes, I'm in the majority.

Response:
Yes, you have said it before. You seem to be proud to broadcast your ignorance here for all to see. I guess when you performed the survey to find out that “like all” truckers have Sirius XM you also surveyed all subscribers to find out that you were in the majority. It must have taken you quite a long time to compile all of that data.

You said:
Sirius has had to overcome some insane obstacles just to stay in business through this recession when giants like Circuit City have fallen. Mel gets hammered on these boards, when in my opinion he's the savior of the company. Without him the stock holders would certainly have nothing left at this point. Instead, there's a lot of hope now that the company will not only survive but become very profitable as the largest subscription based service in the country.

Response:
That might be the biggest load of shit you’ve spewed yet. How do you know what “real” obstacles that Sirius XM has had to overcome? You only know what Mel wants you to know. Talk to the stock holders, I bet they have a bit of a different spin on this than you. “There’s a lot of hope” - How the fuck do you know that? More results from your extensive research? If Mel is a “savior”, then he deserves to be crucified.

It seems like you've formulated a lot of your "facts" based on nothing more than a little bit of information that you've come accross. Maybe from sources like Sirius XM press releases? I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that some of what you've so eloquently stated above is based on some kind of information other than just your own opinion. Seems more likely that you are just full of shit and misinformation. Just because you feel one way doesn’t mean that you are the majority. Everyone on this board is entitled to their opinion, including you. If you are merely going to post by attacking others opinions then I can pretty much guarantee that no on is going to give an ounce of credit to what you are saying. I am not sure if you are aware, but there are other ways to get attention for yourself.

"Where did you get this information from that they might be making major changes? Any specifics?"

I did not get specifics but was told to call Jon to voice my concerns.

I'm not sure I believe they are making major changes, but clearly they are making SOME changes. They have two opposite services to please, and that can't be easy. I've already taken the stance that they probably can't please me anymore, so whatever comes out of this comes out of this.

One thing I want to point out is the falsity that news, talk, and sports are the only reason to have sat radio. That's why Sirius was failing. Without Howard, Sirius would be dead right now, and there IS proof of that. More people listened and for a longer period of time, to the music offering on XM than Sirius hands down. The ratings were like this:

1.Howard
2. Howard 101
3. XM Music
4. XM Music
5. XM Music
6. XM Music
7. XM Music
8. Sirius Music
9. XM Music
10. Fox News

I'm SURE that ALOT of people listen for talk, but the fact is, more people did listen for the music and used the TALK as a bonus. Why this company didn't take XM's music and combine it with Sirius' talk is beyond me. Yes Sirius did talk better, hands down. XM Music with Sirius talk would have been the KILLER service, and would have left no doubt in my mind that $20 a month was worth it. But talk alone isn't cutting it anymore...

Yeah, key in on the word "almost" as in you're almost capable of making any sense at all but it will never happen.

Get it now?

Mr. Baxter states to Jason "You are stating your opinion as fact when there is no basis for it."

Really Mr Baxter? And you and the rest of the notorious bashers (like NJRonbo) on here aren't doing the same damn thing? A little hypocritical, no? Then again, that's what happens when some people don't have much a life, and waste it away in the anonymity of the internet.

Now on the topic at hand, the new tax sucks and it's another way for entities like the RIAA to try to kill satellite radio. But it's a TAX people. Get used to it in every part of your life, because thanks to Obama we're going to see taxes go up everywhere.

Where is the a la carte?
Where is the so-called "community" programming?
Where are the interoperable receivers?
Where is the promise not to raise prices?

All lies, all broken promises.

Sirius could send the exact same signal to the two platforms right now, today, if they wanted. But they insist on nickel-and-diming subscribers with "Best of" packages that nobody seems to want, even at half price. They're going to spend their money on awful artist-specific channels and drive their old listeners away.

There's a term in so-called "terrestrial" radio called stunting. When you do a format change you do something silly like play sound effects or the same song for a period of time (24 hours or more) while you prepare the new station. Essentially you're trying to draw attention to yourself while "blowing off" the listeners. New listeners are drawn to the station and you start over.

As silly as it sounds, Sirius-XM is stunting. They're apparently TRYING to get rid of the people who don't want to pay $17 a month for a radio and get subscribers who do. I can't think of any other reason they'd do the insane crap they're doing. They don't want subscribers who tell them that their programming sucks.

Yikes! Watch your blood pressure there I don't want you to smash your face into your keyboard or anything.

I'm not "attacking" anyone. Of course everyone's entitled to their opinion. When I say "stop complaining" it's actually very hypocritical of me because I love complaining. I love debating and arguing, it's just one of my favorite things. I'm just looking for a little fun. Without all the complaining every blog site on the internet would shut down. Then I would be forced to actually pay attention at my job! Fuuuuuuuuck that!

So you wanted some hard core facts huh? Well that's annoying. But as you wish:

It's well documented that the auto industry woes have had a major effect to the subscriber growth, let's not downplay that effect even a little. It is the main reason for the lost subscribers, of course unsatisfied customers are in the group as well but the large chunk of it is because of the GM and Chrystler problems.

It's approximated that about 20 million american blog either for personal or professional means. That's about 6% of the population. Let's be real generous and say that 5% of all satellite subscribers also blog, (knowing that's a high number) that would be about a million or so of the subscriber base. Now not everyone is saying negative comments. I've read an awful lot on this company. I'm a shareholder myself and many many people love the service they are currently getting. So lets say that half of all the bloggers are negative. That's a half million subscribers. I admit that nothing to shake a stick at. I would not want Sirius to lose a half million subscribers. But at the same time the company has to survive in this incredibly awful economy. Many people still do not understand just how bad it is in this economy right now. Alienating some subscribers in order to generate a cash flow and keep the company afloat until it stabilizes is the only choice right now. It's either that or go under.

I understand if people cannot afford any price increases or if they do not like new programming. Everyone has to cut costs where they can. But for some reason the Sirius subscribers would rather scream and shout over and over before cancelling. Why is that? Because they love SatRad, because it's still a million times better than any alternative. I can't listen to testicle radio for a half-second. And don't even try to tell me I'm alone there.

You question my opinion that Sirius is far better than any other choice for sports, news, and talk? Ok fine list me better alternatives. What other service can I get in my car that gives me live games from around the country, CNN, Fox, every other political option you can think of. Disney for kids. It goes on and on and nothing else even comes close. I'd love to hear your idea of what's better for sports, news, and talk.

As for the truckers, don't be such a idiot. Truckers are a huge market for SatRad. You don't dedicate an entire channel and market special equiptment just for a profession that's not bringing in subscribers. They're very loyal and think Sirius is one the best inventions ever. There's been featured articles on it in trucker magazines and Sirius is available at just about every truck stop. How could they not love it? Can you imagine traveling across the country for a living, having only your radio to keep you sane or awake, and all you have are the terrestrial radio channels that fade away every 30 miles. That would be torture.

Many polls were done at Best Buys when Sirius had their subscriber surge. The top 2 reason for people signing up were Stern and the NFL. XM had baseball in the top 2 reasons as well. I admit, my comment about music not being important was too sever. Music is important but the original content is definitely more important to sell subscriptions. Especially with all of the competition and music alternatives. I for one am totally fine with the music selection. I can't even imagine I'll ever listen to every music channel Sirius has to offer.

And how do I know that Sirius has had to overcome majore obstacles? Because I can fucking read, you jackass. Anyone who's not Hellen Keller knows all of the trouble Sirius has had with the merger and the near bankruptcy. That was a really moronic comment you made.

So I hope I've satisfied your blood lust for my posts. Probably not. Oh well, you can't please everone. Just like Sirius. . .


. . . Oh one more thing. Go fuck yourself.

Where is the a la carte?
Where is the so-called "community" programming?
Where are the interoperable receivers?
Where is the promise not to raise prices?

All lies, all broken promises.

Sirius could send the exact same signal to the two platforms right now, today, if they wanted. But they insist on nickel-and-diming subscribers with "Best of" packages that nobody seems to want, even at half price. They're going to spend their money on awful artist-specific channels and drive their listeners away.

There's a term in so-called "terrestrial" radio called stunting. When you do a format change you do something silly like play sound effects or the same song for a period of time (24 hours or more) while you prepare the new station. Essentially you're trying to draw attention to yourself while "blowing off" the old listeners. New listeners are drawn to the station and you start over.

As silly as it sounds, Sirius-XM is stunting. They're apparently TRYING to get rid of the people who don't want to pay $17 a month for a radio and get subscribers who do. I can't think of any other reason they'd do the insane crap they're doing. They don't want subscribers who tell them that their programming sucks.

About truckers:

Truckers are a huge market for satellite radio. If you listen to ANY talk show on any channel, you are going to hear at least one trucker call in. There would not be an entire channel for them if this weren't the case. Anyone who says differently is delusional. And the only reason there aren't two trucker channels any more is that Sirius-XM *really* needs other important, relevant programming on both platforms...like the Foxxhole, and Cosmo Radio.

That last sentence is sarcasm, by the way. Don't be fooled.

almost is right. They put a band-aid on a gunshot wound and next year the have another big dept payment due and they are not making any money and I'm almost certian the next quarter will look as bad if not worse than this one . Mel's sperm must have made you retarded.

Sirius XM is running a full payload on both services right now, so there's no way they can expand the channel offerings, as you said they would do when/if they ever become profitable. It's a matter of changing what's on the channels that are already there. Also, I disagree with you that most "non-vocal" subscribers think the current programming is okay. I work with people who are more casual radio listeners than I am, and several have commented that they lost the channels that made them want to keep paying for satellite radio. And, the proof is in the numbers, which have shown the first quarterly loss of subscribers in the companies' (now company's) history. Most of those people calling in and canceling are not sitting on here typing out posts on satellite radio forums.

People get upset about "a couple hundred bucks a year" if it's taken from them in exchange for nothing. The channels are worse, the sound is worse to make space for the "best of" packages, and the price is higher, which certainly offends the spirit if not the letter of the company's promises to the FCC regarding the merger. That's a recipe for making customers unhappy.

Smiteboy, you might be on to something regarding "stunting." They need fewer subscribers to stay afloat if their take per subscriber is higher, no doubt. But, this strategy is risky in Sirius XM's case, to put it mildly. With terrestrial, you essentially have the entire market area to draw on in building up a new listener group, because everyone has many AM/FM radios, but with satellite radio most people do not own the equipment they need to receive it, most have no desire to own it, and many cars equipped with the equipment to receive satellite radio do not have it activated. So, where are these new subscribers going to come from?

Where do they come from? Good question. I suspect that they try to lure people in with single-artist mini-channels like the Dave Matthews Band channel. I don't know why people respond to these types of things, but apparently they do.

It seems to me that there would be more money in keeping their current subscriber base and offering them better incentives to have multiple radios than to try to lure a new class of Dave Matthews Band-listening douches.

But then again, millions of people allegedly subscribed just to hear Howard Stern...so go figure.

@ Jason

"What other service can I get in my car that gives me live games from around the country, CNN, Fox, every other political option you can think of. Disney for kids. It goes on and on and nothing else even comes close. I'd love to hear your idea of what's better for sports, news, and talk."

Hey shitdick, I thought it wasn't a monopoly.

the longer I wait to see what happens, the more disappointed I become....i gave the benefit of the doubt a few months ago and renewed my main subscription but cancelled my 2nd radio, just because of the price increase and decreased usage. i got about 8 more months left on the current subscription, so unless things drastically change there is a great chance the subscription will not be renewed

Jason,

Touché'. I have to respect the fact that you told me to go fuck myself. I too get bored at work and resort to mindless blogging. I am just as guilty for attacking you as you for going after anyone else, so I’ll take your advice and go fuck myself. What a douche I am, I basically accused you of everything that I was guilty of.

That being said, we are both obviously on opposite sides of the fence when it comes to music on satellite radio. I originally got XM for Opie & Anthony (go ahead Howard fans insert loser/faggot/0.0 joke here) and ended up discovering the music channels. I liked that I could go on long car rides daily and not have to feel like I was hearing the same songs every day. That is what a lot of the listeners from XM have a gripe with when it comes to the music channels post merger. The decades channels are playing such a limited playlist that the repeats are non-stop. I paid a lot of money to have XM put throughout my home so when the music channels were changed, I was really bummed out. Since the merger I listen to music channels a whole lot less. If you search through the rock channels you end up hearing the same songs/bands on different stations. Even Deep Tracks which is supposed to be playing deep cuts from various artists is repeating the deep tracks that they play. I am not saying every channel needs to run deep playlist, but fuck me man the monotonous play lists are disheartening for any of us to like to put music on in the background. There's got to be some middle ground here. XM had DJs that really loved the music they played and they would interject with interesting facts that made the stations enjoyable to listen to for extended periods of time. It seems that a lot of the Sirius DJs are just "personalities" that say dumb shit that has nothing to do with what they are playing. I am sure that they must be numb hearing the same songs day in and day out. The company could save themselves some money by ditching the high paid old FM DJs and former MTV VJs in exchange for DJs that are playing the music they love and would work for a whole lot less. There are obviously exceptions to this on Sirius and some of the DJs do a decent job. Jose on Liquid Metal and Lou Brutus on the Bone Yard are good examples of this. Lou used to run the punk channel Fungus on XM.

Most of my complaining comes from disappointment. Boo Hoo, poor me. I really loved XM for years. I would tell anyone who would listen how great XM was because I was such a fan. Once the companies merged I felt like the music has suffered, a lot. Yikes that is my opinion isn’t it. I really am a douche. Most of my bitching is done in hopes that if the programmers at Sirius XM hear enough subscribers are disappointed with the music channels, they may change. Read any of the posts by XCOUNTY, he doesn’t beat up other posters; he just expresses his disappointment at the direction the music channels have taken. His posts are well written and personal which I feel make his points have more impact than posts that are riddled with bad language. Something that I am guilty of myself. Guys like XCOUNTRY give Oribitcast some class.

Honestly, I wouldn’t care about price increases all that much if I was paying for poste merger XM. I don’t want satellite radio to fail, I want it to succeed. I am well aware that XM and probably Sirius would have both gone under if the two didn’t end up merging. I also realize that XM was deeper in the hole, so Mel ended up being the one with the bigger dick when it came down to which company would end up the one to call the shots. I am just hanging on to the possibility that maybe it will grow again and that growth will include better music programming for those of us that do have satellite radio for music. As long as Opie and Anthony are on XM, I will have at least one active subscription so that I can hear them. Orbitcast is the one place to get the most current information about satellite radio which is why I check it out regularly. So why do I bash Mel Karmazin, small play lists, the God-awful sound quality, ect? Part of the reason is in protest to the end result of the merger, and partly in hopes of inspiring some kind of change so that I can get some of what I loved back. Wishful thinking, maybe, but nothing would happen if everyone just sat back and took it.

I am glad that you attacked me back. I deserved it and it made me realize that the serious posts I used to make have been replaced with immature, potty mouthed, venom laden bullshit that I accused you of. Am I occasionally still going to make comments that are argumentative and filled with curses? Fuck yeah. Like you said it makes this stuff more fun to read, and when it comes down to it I can be as much of an immature asshole as the next guy. Guess it depends on the day that I am having at work. Instead of ending this by telling you to go fuck yourself right back, I am going to thank you for making wake up and realize what an asshole I can really be sometimes.

I promise not to take it too seriously if you respond to this by telling me that you still think I am a bucket of jizz. Believe it or not, I have a sense of humor and if satellite radio was the most important thing in my life then I should go hop in front of a train.

The combination of XM music, Sirius talk, XM and Sirus Sports would have been killer. I was listening to XM Deep tracks this morning and it dawned on me as to main problem with the shuffle of music channels between XM and Sirius. For example, XM had organized the classic rock channels a Deep, Top and Big tracks. Switching between these 3, one could adjust the spectrum according to one's taste. Additionally, Fine Tuning helped with progressive tunes. The current combination of channels just isn't as integrated. Instead of keeping Deep Tracks, given that Top Tracks was canned (there is no replacement for that channel now). They should of kept the Vault from Sirius which was a cross between Top Tracks and Deep Tracks. Deep Tracks by itself is a joke now. Playing weird tracks off of slack albums, is not what a channel starved network needs. Covering the deeper genres like psychedelic and progressive rock, classic and neo is badly needed. Slacker does it.

Joe,

I have to agree with you and I will throw myself on the sword for being a douche. The only thing that I take issue with is how dare you compare me with NJRonbo? Is that really called for? I understand that I was being a whiney, hypocritical, bitch-ass, but that comparison was way unnecessary!!! You really know how to hurt a guy.

Fuck Joe, message received!!

Ed

http://www.sirius.com/packages/more

http://www.sirius.com/publicradio

http://www.sirius.com/internationalnews

http://shop.sirius.com/edealinv/servlet/ExecMacro?nurl=control/StoreDirectory.vm&ctl_nbr=2640&catLevel=1&catParentID=7875&scId=7875&oldParentID=7870&cid=DockPlayRadios

They have not raised prices, although many of you think so, they are charging for the services they offer, the base price is still $12.95 for satellite radio, bait & switch? maybe, this does not mean I agree with this practice, Some people only have OEM recievers in thier car, some people only listen online, some people listen everywhere. They are offering more choices for listeners. Like it or not.

I was very upset with the loss of channels at first, now they are programming the channels more like fm, but I can still hear many of my favorites. Although the service is not what it once was, its still a great deal for the money, I have tried the internet radio, mp3's and HD radio, nothing is as convenient and entertaining as siriusxm, I can listen to many different genres of music, censored and uncensored, every sporting event possible and great talk entertainment for myself and my family. For the annual cost, this is a great deal, I spend more annually on Bushmills and Cohibas!

Good research, but when I mentioned community (or public) radio, I used the wrong wording. I was referring to the commitment that Sirius made to the FCC to provide 4% of channel capacity set-aside for noncommercial, educational and informational programming. I'm not sure how Sirius-XM is definig this, but I don't think the Foxxhole and OutQ meet these programming requirements. I do not believe that they are even attempting to keep this promise.

how can a company lose money when all they do is play music over and over they dont even have to pay a deejay just another case of mismanaged money..raise the rates and then get a government bailout and you'll really have some money to waste...your service sucks anyway i hope you go bankrupt!!!!!

Your research doesn't matter. From the article above:

According to the leaked information, the royalty cost increase will take effect on July 29, 2009.

Interesting thought? I didnt realize the actual commitment that was made. Your not the only one asking this question.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/277604-FCC_Gives_Sirius_XM_Four_Weeks_To_Lease_Channels.php?rssid=20059

Here is a statement in regards to this subject:
Sirius XM pledged to reserve four percent of each platform's full-time audio channels to "Qualified Entities" that apply for them through some later-to-be-agreed-upon process. The FCC defined this term as follows: "an entity that is majority-owned by persons who are African American, not of Hispanic origin; Asian or Pacific Islanders; American Indians or Alaskan Natives; or Hispanics."

Thanks for the comments regarding my posts. You may get a little more "animated" in your language than I do, but we're on the same page on the main points.

Jason, you said it's "well documented" that the auto sales slump has affected subscriber growth. How and where is this documented? Granted, it's a reasonable assumption you can make, given that many new cars have satellite radio in them, but that's not the whole picture. Over the last several years, satellite radio has filtered down from an option on more costly cars to standard equipment even on many inexpensive ones. Chevy's Cobalt has standard XM radio, and that car was a good seller throughout 2008, as it's an economy car and gas prices were high. In fact, XM was standard on almost all GM models last year, but I have noticed in 2009 they're pulling back, making it optional on some again, rather than standard.

So, as satellite radio has continued to expand into cheaper cars, and as old cars without satellite radio are continually replaced with newer ones that do have it, there was almost certainly continued growth in the number of satellite-radio-equipped cars in 2008. Yet, the subscriber numbers slipped down. You may say, sure, there was growth, but not as fast as it could have been. True, but if you say that, you're admitting that, over time, the company is doomed, because the only thing that can keep their numbers growing is to keep signing up new people faster than the existing ones cancel.

If you want to see the real problem look at their abysmal retail sales. These are people who actively want satellite radio and go out and buy it. Despite the existence of a lot of fairly nice equipment (Inno, XMp3, Stiletto, etc.) the numbers here are awful, and store after store no longer even carries the equipment, or if they do it's shoved on a back shelf somewhere, covered with dust. If the only way you're getting customers is to bring them in free with the purchase of a car that has OEM satellite radio, you're going to have problems because many of these people have no passion for the product, and a high percentage lose interest over time.

No, the problem isn't car sales. It's that this product is considered dull, lifeless and "passe" by many people -- and I hear this many places, not just on this or other message boards. This company will have problems until it realizes, as XM did in its early days, that satellite radio must cater to a more upscale, sophisticated listener than terrestrial radio. But instead they're going the other direction, catering more to an unsophisticated mass audience.

There are an awful lot of people on here that must have some weird belief that the harder they defend Sirius-XM for bad business practices, the more likely it is that the company will not fail. I guess, as a wise man once said, a fool and his money [really] are soon parted...

Keep on spendin'. Keep on believin'. Hahahahaha.

you are gay

Gaydar kicking in, Anonymous?

I'm actually shocked. I post on a lot of sites and I've never had anyone say thanks before. Especially when my closing sentiment was, "go fuck yourself." So no I won't tell you your'e a bucket of jizz.

Now I actually think you're being too hard on yourself. It's ok to get animate as long as you have some solid points to make, which you did.

I actually understand the frustration with the music channels. People who just listen to music all day or on long trips have a legitimate gripe. Of course SiriusXm is needs improvement, which I genually think will come. But if it were me in charge right now, I would fire all music channel DJ's and just play straight music on those channels. With the exception of Sirus Hits 1, because it does hold some entertainment value with the celebrity updates and news which you're probably into if you're listening to today's vapid music.

For me I can only listen to music for short periods of time or I turn on a CD. Coffee House in the morning, The Pulse and Lithium the rest of the time.

Awww, look. It turned into a big love fest. Let's go to kumbaya.com and create accounts.

Where is the a la carte?
If you purchase a starmate 5, you can select an a la carte programming.

Where is the so-called "community" programming?
There are special interest packages that are 9.99 a month like mostly music and sports news and talk.

Where are the interoperable receivers?
Theres a radio called the Merge that you can get both sirius and xm full line up channels.

Where is the promise not to raise prices?
They promised that they wouldnt raise the base subscription rate for the first few years, and its actually still at 12.95.

Where is the a la carte?
If you purchase a starmate 5, you can select an a la carte programming.

Where is the so-called "community" programming?
There are special interest packages that are 9.99 a month like mostly music and sports news and talk.

Where are the interoperable receivers?
Theres a radio called the Merge that you can get both sirius and xm full line up channels.

Where is the promise not to raise prices?
They promised that they wouldnt raise the base subscription rate for the first few years, and its actually still at 12.95.

On my latest XM invoice there is a column down near the bottom, next to state and local taxes, that says "Music Royalty Fee". Currently this amount is $0.00. It's made to look like a tax but it is not. I suspect that the fee will be added in the near future.

Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out Sirius-XM's billing practices. Last month, with just one radio, I paid $14.01. I added a second radio just after the first of May and my current bill is $47.51. Even with the one-time activation fee of $15 for a second radio (rip-off), it still seems that the price is inflated. The reason they have multi-radio plans is so you don't have to choose between having a radio in your car or one in your home. I can see why so many people are cancelling.

Very Nice. Whodah thunk this is how this would have ended?

Ed, my apologies for comparing you to NJronbo. That was a little harsh.

Accepted. Thanks bud.

This rumor has been on the streets for two weeks now and I still can't get any information. If this rumor isn't true, then where is the leadership within sirius XM to refute it and reassure the customers? And if it is true, then where is the fortitude and integrity within sirius XM to step up to the plate and confirm it? Why can't I get any confirmation or denial from XM? With Mel Karmazin's "tough-shit-if-you-don't-like-it" approach to running sirius XM, it should be easy for him to simply come out and dictate to us the way things are going to be. Sirius XM isn't planning on just sneaking these fees into our next billing without any warning, is it?

I've had Sirius since 2004. I'll cancel if this goes into effect.

imagine how many calls am going to get now???....WoOzz

While I don't have an answer to your question as to why Sirius XM lacks the integrity either to refute or confirm the latest price increase under the guise of "music royalty fees," when you consider that customers were given no notice whatsoever of the channel merger, the price increase on "family plan" radios, or the imposition of new cancellation and radio-swap fees, it would be astounding if the company were to break stride and notify customers of its latest sleight of hand.

Incidentally, "tough shit if you don't like it" is an excellent way to describe Mel Karmazin's approach to his customers, and it's not working out too well for him, if the subscriber numbers are any indication.

It's really too bad. Satellite radio is not a bad idea, really...it had a lot of promise, not so long ago. Just sucks that the same guys who ruined terrestrial radio have stepped in to ruin satellite.

I just found out about this new music royalty fee yesterday. $2 per month?? So, as a response I canceled the Best of Sirius, and my XMNavTraffic subscription so net-net, they are losing money as a result of this.

I refuse to keep having my fees increased for no good reason, or treated like can't figure out that they are going after fee grabs anyway they can find it. I didn't take the increase fee for online listening either. If you want to raise rates for inflation then I can see that, but $2 here, and $2 there......the increases have been almost 50% in the last two to three months.

I refuse to subsidize the decreasing number of listeners and Howard Stern's $500 million contract.

Hey, let's increase rates as we are losing subscribers, and everyone is looking to trim costs because of job losses. AWESOME IDEA!!

This is exactly why i hate the way Sirius does business, its what, 5 days before the change actually takes place ( And yes, it will take place, we have already received the training on how to respond to customers and how its going to show up on the system ) and there's still NO information what so ever posted on sirius.com, same thing happened with the channel line up change back in march, we had NO idea previously that there would be a change, all we had is about 300 calls, waiting, of customer complaining about how the strobe, or backspin was no longer in the line up. this price change is amazing to me, because OK, you told the FCC that you wouldn't raise the base price which still is 12.95, but they have raised EVERYTHING else than i can even think of. 2 more dollars for an additional radio, and remove the free online listen unless you so call "Lock your current rates". that's ALL you would hear on the floor, "Lock them down!" "Offer a 2 year! Lifetime!" and now look, its the same garbage over again, now were suppose to "Lock" them into a longer subscription so they can "delay" the increase. I work for a company that Sirius does does there customer service with, i don't even have the service and it bothers me, all the stupid things sirius is doing... The stress level on the floor is crazy, all that can go through my mind every time i hear about a change is "Damn!! cant they get "1" thing right!!". Now we have an App, with no Howard Stern, Genius. And for customers who insist on blaming Reps for these changes, we don't even work with sirius directly, how the hell do you expect me to know why they made the changes lol ( Supervisors know WAY less than the Agent who picks of the phone ). And stop mentioning the state of our company and a hole lot of crazy "Oh your company is going to crash!" Its annoying, we don't care lol, point blank, if sirius crashes, we change projects, period, and if we get fired, Stream isn't the best company anyways lol. I'm sorry i just felt like i had to let it out.

You just a bitgh ass motherfucker , i wish i was there i'd shoot your damn head off bitch

I always vote for goods and services with my feet. Too expensive and/or bad service, I walk away. My basic monthly car subscription cost has always been a little more than I think is reasonable (especially since I can load 6 CD's into my car at a time) and listen to my favorite music anyway, so, this is the fee that has caused me to cancel my subscription. Good concept, poor management.

I was an "online only" subscriber to XM Radio for nearly three years. I ONLY listened to music; never talk, never sports. I didn't use the service that often, and most of the artists I enjoyed listening to are dead, so I was probably subsidizing the service/artists enjoyed by others. The price increase for my online subscription, just announced via email, will be from $7.99 a month to $12.95 a month: over 50%. Coupled with the (post-merger) repeating of the same songs more than I would like, I decided "enough!" I canceled today.

Micheal U just ratted us out...

Been a loyal subscriber since 2005.
Just got an email from Sirius. blah blah blah more money blah blah blah.
Strike 1: Close to a month after the merger went through the music programming went way downhill.
Strike 2: March I lose the ability to listen online unless I pony up more cash, also secondary sub rate went up at this time.
Strike 3: $1.98 fee increase to cover royalties.
I don't care what it is for, or who is responsible. The content is not worth $15 a month.
Chalk up two more casualties Mel. Cocksucker.

Hilarious. They piss on our heads and tell us it is raining.

Their cost of doing business is going up from 6.0% of reveunue to 6.5%, or a total of 0.5%.

To "pass the cost along" to subscribers would mean our rates would go from 12.95 to 13.01, or 6 cents.

Even if consumers absorbed the entire 6.5%, our rates would only go from 12.95 to $13.79, or 84 cents.

Why is XM/Siruis screwing us with a 15% price increase?

---Because they can. Our idiot government set this in motion when they approved the formation of this monopoly.

They just increased the cost of additional radios by almost 25%. Now this! Any way you look at it its a price increase. I expect that at this rate Sirius will be out of business in a couple years...which is one reason I will not sign up for multiple years!

How can they keep charging more when they are competing with FREE!!! I am looking into internet radios.

I just dumped my second radio cause they raised the price. Now I'm dumping it completely. I'd rather listen to nothing than pay another tax.

Yes, Sirius will be out of business pretty soon. They are stupid enough not to see what they are doing with those price increases -- cutting the limb they are sitting on. So for all the proponents of the life-time subs, I'd say - BEWARE, you might be overpaying for something that has only a couple of years left to live.

For the rest of us, consumers, this is a good lesson, that corporate monopolies -- wharever industry they are attributed to -- ARE BAD! Period. We were sold this idea, by DJ's on XM and Sirius, who were paid off by their corporate bosses, that Satellite radio is not a monopoly, and that people can switch to iPods and Media Players, but that is a totally different beast. iPods provide a totally different content. It's like comparing Cable TV to your DVD movies that you bought and keep at home -- the two are absolutely different things.

Okay, so I understand everyone is pissed about having to pay more every month as am I, but step back for a minute and think about how much corporations that own terrestrial radio stations are loving this right now. This can only hurt satellite radio which in turn helps out terrestrial radio. Just look at all of the posts that say they are cancelling their subscription based on this rate hike.

Tell me how it is fair that terrestrial radio has always been able to broadcast copyrighted material without paying royalties but now that satellite radio is in the game, we have to pay royalties to hear music in the same format.

How come satellite radio listeners have to pay royalties but ordinary radio listeners do not? It's not like satellite listeners have control of what song is playing, it is the same thing as ordinary radio.

This is a case of the government playing favorites and giving terrestrial radio an unfair advantage PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Well, Since I have had 4 radios on a family plan and an extra in the office, I cancelled 2 on the rate increase, and now when the new increase hits, I will cancell them all. I want to charge a royality fee for letting the signal come into my home, and a listening royality fee too! Lets see, what other fee's can i think of? Good bye XM, reach into someone elses pocket.

Just got the rate increase notice. Cancelled service on (3) radios. Total elapsed time: 15 mintutes. Goodbye XM.

Well I am an LCR for xm radio trust me I'm the one who has to inform the customers of the rate increase ... so i know the whole thing ... but there is no reason for people to be mean to lcr's on the phone that the thing that pisses me (we have nothing to do with it)

I'm an LCR for xm radio, and they already pay the music royalty fees and their commericals do pay for it, and as they raise the rates they will have to play more commericals

Brian, when your satellite radio equipment bites the bullet so does your lifetime subscription.

it's not your lifetime, it's the lifetime of the equipment.

Seems like everything is increasing in price these days, however for a Radio I use on average of 3 hours a week, it's not worth it. The only thing that kept me going with it all these years has been the ability to save a song I like and play it back. But XM/Sirius is not my only source for music. Guess I can save my mp3's on my phone and have one less device on my belt during the day.

For yet another rate increase, I'm canceling just on principle.

The XM/Serious liars are not just passing on costs. They are fleecing the consumer because the have a monopoly now and feel they can get away with it. It's not the FEDs and not RIAA...
Let's take a look at this...
Up until now the 6% royalty fee was included in the subscription fee (as they should be). This year Royalties went up .5% or 6.5 cents on a 13 dollar
subscription. (or 78 cents a year).

They are now charging us a 15% Royalty fee!!!!!
Where did that number come from? Did Karmazin just randomly fart that number out his rear end?
That is 30 times the actual increase that they incurred this year. There is no way they can justify this to the SEC that allowed the merger that stated they had to cap subscriptions
for 3 years except for “Royalty fee increases”. Which to me looks like .5% a year. Mel's 15% flatulent is more than double the actual fee. It's BS and I am going to cancel my subscription after 5 years of being a loyal customer. It's not worth the almost $300 a year I pay for 2 radios. All Blackberry and IPhone users; You should check out Pandora and Slacker. It's free and the music selection is better than XM and you can create your own custom stations. Screw XM/Serious, their days are numbered and they're run by cluesless idiots.

Just received my notice today for renewal. I noticed a new fee of $21.95. I called Sirius and wouldn't ya know it, I got a person that couldn't speak English. I asked her a question and she babbled something I couldn't understand. So, I just emailed Sirius and said if I have to pay an extra $21.95 per year they can kiss my subscription goodbye. That is riduculous. I know it doesn't seem like much but it is the prinicpal of the thing. Everything is going up, and it seems to me it is just extra money in somebody's pocket, and it isn't mine. So goodbye Sirius!

I just got onto Sirius and this fee is b.s.... I saw no warning of it anywhere until after I bought the equipment and filled out all the stuff online... The only reason I paid it is cause the cost was offset by the fact that the receiver i got was on sale for 30 bucks less... I'm super pissed but i suppose I'll deal with it for this year and see what happens next year...

i just found out about this yesterday when i subscribed to sirius for 3 months, i mean come on guys you can only push us so much, if you keep raising the prices like that im not gonna renew my subscription next year, honestly, it;s just too much.... you should drop the mostly music package and the talk radio package to maybe 8.99 with royalty fees included. and advertise for the love of god, i hardly ever see commercial ads on tv about sirius

This increase is BS. As everybody is saying the hike should be the 6.5% if they are truly "passing on" the charge, not the 15% crap they are charging me. The merger is a joke and is only lining someone's pockets. XM rates weren't supposed to increase for 3 years so what do they do...call it a pass on. Utter crapola if you ask me. If it wasn't for Howard Stern and the news I would drop it like a hot potato. If Howard leaves in a year, so will I. I may leave even sooner when my subscription comes up next month. Sirius, take note, this is crap.

I'm sorry but at the end of the day it's just a loop hole for a rate increase. Since the details of merger said they couldn't raise prices they found this little loop hole called “Music Royalty Fee” that they could add to everyones bill. As pointed out. it's bad enough they increased rates and a 2nd radio is almost $9.00 a month but this is just the icing on the cake for me. I will not stand by and let them keep adding fee after fee.

Playing music is their business and it's part of doing business and paying the artist is just part of that cost.

There stock is tanking, they have a ton of debt and if Howard leaves the wait line will be hours just to cancel. But to make matters worse they just gave Mel there CEO a $250,000 a year raise along with 120,000 stock options. Guess we know where our “Music Royalty Fee” is going now don't we??

I do not do this often. It is far better not to tell the truth. People like you better. If a manager or an employee at Sirius/XM says something to you, it is Melvin A. Karmazin, who is saying it to you. He is responsible. He is responsible for everything that goes on, even if he denies it.

Sirius/XM has gotten away with one! Mr. Karmazin has pulled a " Barney Franks", on everyone. Mel, the fingernails were good! Your company does not tell the truth!

I have had three (3) acounts with Sirius/XM. I am down to two (2). By the end of this year, I will not pay for any.

Mel Karmazin came from a liberal news corporation, to run another corporation. Ideas from one corporation, tend to stick. Do you think, he cares for you? He will say, "Its business". He has just gotten away with passing on the cost of doing business to you (the consumer). Like Ken Lewis, formerly of Bank Of America, the face tells the truth.

The "Royalty Music Fee" is hefty, no matter what anyone says. Sadly, the truth is the truth!

Maybe he (Mel) is the government, surely it (the government) needs the money!

One more thing, Sirius/XM has some "bad" business practices which will affect you. They will record you, but you cannot record them? You have to ask yourself, "is that a mean or lawful corporate policy"? A person has to the question, "who are they protecting"? Surely, if a corporation acts in daylight, will it fear no one?

One has to wonder, what other shoes are going to be "dropped" by Melvin A. Karmazin? Mel, they need you on Roosevelt Road (Chicago)!

Everytime a company or a corporation which changes who they are, saves money. The customer always pays. Mr. Karmazin did not pay a "music royalty fee".

A secret meeting is a secret meeting, no matter what you say it is! Sirius/XM has way too many secret meetings.

I just opened my credit card statment expecting to have a $77 bill for 6mths of this radio that I myself think is to high already. To my surprise it was $89 I called to find out what was up and they tell me that it's a royality fee!!! What a joke!!!! This was for my husband while he is on the road but I just can't see why they can charge this I am so sick of everything going up up up but our wages. This reminds me of how the gas prices kept going up till we couldn't even afford to drive to work. Or go to visit family or vacation!!! We all need to do what we did 18 months ago stop driving and the prices went down. We all have learned to do without a little less maybe it's time to show these people that we are not going to take this crap from them. And cancel their service.

I was about to activate my car radio for the $77 one-year promo I received. Upon calling, I was told the one-year service promo deal would be $77 for XM Everything + $11 for the US Music Royalty Fee = $88. After scouring the promo card, I actually did find the fine print that says, "As of July 29, 2009, new and renewing subscription packages that include music channels will be charged our U.S. Music Royalty Fee per paid month of your plan term. For details, see xmradio.com/usmusicroyalty." The US Music Royalty fee established by the Copyright Royalty Board for playing music on satellite radio for 2010 is 7%, so if anything I should have been charged $5.39, not $11.00. XM Sirius is entitled to charge consumers for mandated fees, otherwise known as "charge and remit" in the telecom world. Any amount that XM Sirius charges beyond the remitted amount is simply additional service revenue. That is exceptionally misleading and unethical at best, and quite possibly illegal. I can afford it, and probably would have been willing to pay for the actual royalty fee that goes to the artists, but I am not willing to pay double to shore up XM Sirius' balance sheet. I turned down their otherwise attractive offer just to make a point. If we, the consumers just continue to pay these BS fees, the fees will keep coming and coming. It's time for consumers to stand up and say NO, by refusing to do business with greedy companies. Melvin Karmazin will hear from me along with the FCC, my elected representatives and the BBB.

Remember, it was suppose to be commercial-free radio! It is NOT!

Sirius/XM doesn't care, they are making money off of somebody? It is pretty obivious.

Commercials are all over Sirius/XM, and they are not ashamed of what they are doing! I guess if they say it is the business, long enough, it is the business.

It is a corporation, which purposely misleads you to make MONEY! It is okay, they are still in business, because you are supposed to be aware of what they are doing!

"If you don't stand for something, you are liable to fall for anything."

Later SIRIUS... 3 subscriptions cancelled in one phone call. Too bad for them. later.

I've just renewed my subscription for a year, unaware of this music royalty fee! It sucks! I barely listen to the music channels in my car! When I need to listen to music, I open my mp3-files and there, I have my favorite music! The music industry is identically as greedy as the Sirius/XM corporation! What is the best way for them to promote their musicians if it's not by playing their music on the radios?! I bought a large number of CDs of musicians that I first heard on the radio (satellite or terrestrial)! Since these music royalty fees will increase by 1% next year and 1% more after, I will certainly not renew my subscription to Sirius satellite radio! I will listen to music from my mp3-files (I have over 500 CDs of music) and the local terrestrial radios! This will be my contribution into punishing greed!

mnxmfan, I agree with you that it's a 15% increase!
I am paying for a Sirius Everything:
Base: $142.45
Music Royalty fees: $21.79
Total: $164.24

That is 15.3% increase due to MRF, not 6.5%!!!! Sirius-XM is cheating!

I have been a subscriber of this service since Howard Stern came into the picture. I have two subscriptions. $166 per year? for one? I wrecked my truck and paid a fee to transfer the system since the antenna costs half as much as the radio, lost the free web service, now they raise the cost? No wonder the FCC was against this.
www.fcc.gov

I love the unedited content, but this is borderline illegal.

I used to have 3 XM subscriptions. I cancelled them about a year and half ago when I lost my job. I was just about to reactivate one of my radios until I heard about the music royalties fee.

Sorry XM, I will not participate in your scam. I am gone for good.

It just sucks that something that used to be so great now sucks so bad.

this will be my last renewal with XM. These guys are worse than the cable (time warner) company. They think they have yu by the kahonies.

I have been a customer for four years and am now a former customer. Sirius/XM's timing is absolutely horrible. Raising rates and fees at this time on something that most consider a luxury! Like a lot of folks who are preparing to get whacked with tax increases, I will have to do without this.

I can understand why they want to recover the cost of these royalties, but the way they describe the fee on their bills, notices and web site is weaselly. The seem to be intentionally obfuscating whether this cost is already part of the rates they quote or in addition to them. While searching the web for a resolution to this question, I came upon endless complaints from customers who claim to have been randomly over-charged for services and receivers they had not requested. The Sirius customers seem to get the worst treatment. At this point, I don't trust them and will cancel my subscription and change my credit card number.


You must be selling drugs for a living....
I make 12 dollars eighty five cents per
hour for 40 hours per week. This is my only
income... You do the math, can I realy
afford this increase... HLF