Signs of growing Commissioner involvement in the FCC's deliberations over the proposed merger between Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. and XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc. continue to become evident as two organizations met with Adelstein's offices in recent days.National Public Radio (NPR) met with Commissioner Adelstein directly, on April 8th, to discuss their positions on the pending merger.
NPR discussed with Adelstein possible conditions for the merger, including requiring the inclusion of terrestrial HD Radio reception capability in Satellite Radio receiving equipment.
Meanwhile, on the following day, Georgetown Partners met with Rudy Brioché, Legal Advisor for Media Issues to Adelstein. The discussion was "consistent with its filings previously submitted" to the Commission over the Sirius-XM merger.
On April 1st, a week prior, Georgetown's Chester Davenport and the Rev. Jesse Jackson of the Rainbow PUSH Coalition both met with Democratic Commissioners Adelstein and Copps to highlight "the need for diversity" in the FCC's decision process.
NPR is a content partner for Sirius, providing two channels exclusively to the satellite radio provider. Despite this fact, NPR has historically been vehemently opposed to the Sirius-XM merger, stating that a merged entity "might reduce the amount and quality of public radio programming" available on satellite radio.
[View FCC filings: 1, 2 (PDF)]
What the hell has HD radio got to do with satrad? Absolutely nothing, so why require it on satrad receivers? Once a precidence has been set then Apple could request an Ipod port and the list would never end as everybody would want to get on board, free of charge of course. I hope the FCC sees through this BS and is moving quickly towards a fair decision.
I dont have a problem with HD being included, as long as HD is willing to pay for the chipsets, design, revshare, etc etc etc etc. Oh, and Music Royalties like SatRad does.
That would be fine with me.
I see somethings never change
1. Georgetown wants a free ride to later turn around and make a profit off their "free" bandwidth... Sad....
2. Ibiquity is using NPR as a leveraging tool to push their overpriced crap and force it into Sirius/XM's products... If Ibiquity wasnt greedy and wanted (last I checked), an exorbitant per-unit licensing fee... i could see this happening, but in its current state and fee structure it would be tatramount to giving ibiquity sheer profit at the satellite users/providers expense.. I see the concept of demand driven market has completely been ignored by the FCC and Ibiquity.. They shouldnt be given a free ride because their buisness model isnt sucessful... Ditto for the Georgetown Partners.. They pretend to both have alturistic goals but in simple terms, they want to be given profit for not doing any marketing/develpment/work... Just give them stuff most companies have to pay to develop and maintain and sell... via the FCC .. Remind you of blackmail/extortion? I think so
Your buisness isnt sucessful and cant afford to develop and license spectrum for a product... Gee force the product into peoples hands by using the FCC as a leveraging/extortion tool for unfair buisness practices
I see somethings never change
1. Georgetown wants a free ride to later turn around and make a profit off their "free" bandwidth... Sad....
2. Ibiquity is using NPR as a leveraging tool to push their overpriced crap and force it into Sirius/XM's products... If Ibiquity wasnt greedy and didnt want (last I checked), an exorbitant per-unit licensing fee... i could see this happening, but in its current state and fee structure it would be tatramount to giving ibiquity sheer profit at the satellite users/providers expense.. I see the concept of demand driven market has completely been ignored by the FCC and Ibiquity.. They shouldnt be given a free ride because their buisness model isnt sucessful... Ditto for the Georgetown Partners.. They pretend to both have alturistic goals but in simple terms, they want to be given profit for not doing any marketing/develpment/work... Just give them stuff most companies have to pay to develop and maintain and sell... via the FCC .. Remind you of blackmail/extortion? I think so
Your buisness isnt sucessful and cant afford to develop and license spectrum for a product... Gee force the product into peoples hands by using the FCC as a leveraging/extortion tool for unfair buisness practices
not to mention the fact the share price is now getting hammered. Losing 25-35% since doj approval. FCC DOJ, GEorgetown, ibiquity-all thiefs, liars, and exhtortionistsF!
Enough already! Make a decision FCC or you'll be hosting more silly meetings and delaying this thing another year.
@paul
Including HD Radio in Satrad receivers has to do with the FCC's old requirement about all digital radio being included in interoperable receivers, whih the FCC has never enforced. Seems there would not be much of a market for such an expensive radio. iBiquity wants HD Radio to be included in all Satrad receivers - seems like an absurd request.
When I invested in satellite radio (a commercial entity) and purchased a subscription, I did not intend to invest in a charity (Georgetown Partners) or want my subscription dollars to subsidize a charity. If I wanted to do that, I would have donated my money to a cause of my choosing. I do not want the FCC making that choice for me.
It is time for the FCC to show the Georgetown Partners the door and approve this merger without conditions, immediately.
Peter - Please don't forget that it is XM and Sirius who opened the door. They are the one's who have admitted that the merger is bad for consumers by offering to subject themselves to price controls and a la carte. After all, if the merger was really pro-competiitive, why the need to ask the FCC to regulate its prices? Shouldn't the market take care of that? Anyway, Georgetown Partners may be leveraging the system, but in the end, they're not gonna get 20% of the capacity, and XM and Sirius will get many fewer conditions than they should, and many fewer than cable and telcos have incurred during their mergers (including divestituture of assets, which Xm and Sirius will probably escape). Also, its XM and Sirius who've made a mockey of the FCCs process by paying off third party groups to register their support for the merger, when these folks couldn't care less if not for Mel's contributions. So, just be patient. But I'm also wondering for everyone else, who are you gonna blame after the merger goes thru and the stock prices still stinks? Will Mel's fan boys have the guts to point the finger at the real problem? Probably not. They'll probably still try to blame the NAB.
IF YOU ARE A SIRIUS SATTELITE STOCK HOLDER, LISTEN UP. NEXT THURSDAY, WE WILL BE HAVING A PRESS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCING A LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THE FCC FOR FAILING TO DELIBERATE ON THIS MERGER. IT WILL BE AT 10.0 ESTIME....
UGH!
End this already!!
The FCC has had over a YEAR to prepare for when the DOJ would approve....and they DID....WITHOUT restrictions!
What was the FCC doing this entire time? It's beyond pathetic, it's downright CRIMINAL...and when all is said and done, Mel should sue the FCC. :-)
How many FCC employees does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Hmmmm.
Well, I guess it all depends on how many years you give them to complete the task
How many FCC employees does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Hmmmm.
Well, I guess it all depends on how many years they get to complete the task
Where and by whom the press conference will be held.
Can we watch or participate
What’s the deal with the FCC, how on earth can it take this long? It’s almost as if are trying to delay this long enough for the satellites to fall out of orbit.
This should have been completed last week!
FCC needs to get this done immediately this continued delay is absolutely ridiculous.
The title "Send in the Clowns" suggest that they are not already there. In the case of the FCC, the title should be .."Remove the Clowns".
I've just written to both of my Senators calling for Martin's replacement. Never send a boy to do a Man's job.
I have to believe at this point, the FCC is intentionally trying to delay-postone and cause harm to these two companies. It's hard to believe that the FCC is in NABS pocket but no other arguement seems valid sans incompetence or bribes.
I hope Mel brings legal action against the agency soon.
Since we are all still waiting on the FCC, I thought I would use the time productively.
I made a list of all the things I could get done while I wait.
1. Learn Chinese
2. Watch the Olympics
3. Get my PHD
4. Plant a forest
5. Solve world hunger
6. Read the entire IRS tax code
7. Qualify join the AARP
8. Watch Haley’s comet
9. Get a transplant
10. Die of old age
its time to sue. End of story
Good thinking by satrad fanboy PATRICK RODGERS... NOT.
Get ready to lose twice fanboy, once on this frivolous legal action and the last and final lose when the FCC does the right thing and REJECTS this Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY
"IF YOU ARE A SIRIUS SATTELITE STOCK HOLDER, LISTEN UP. NEXT THURSDAY, WE WILL BE HAVING A PRESS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCING A LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THE FCC FOR FAILING TO DELIBERATE ON THIS MERGER. IT WILL BE AT 10.0 ESTIME...."
NO to satrad "merge" MONOPOLY! The FCC should turn the tables reject this "merge" MONOPOLY and require Sirius and xm to follow their current license agreements to a T.
Ignorant, blind satrad fanboys will never learn Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY is a LOSE for consumers.
FCC you need to get off your dead butts and do what we the people pay you to do. Get this SIRI/XM merger done one way or the other you are killing the investers.
Carl
You wrongly place blame on the FCC for the mess Sirius/xm have gotten themselves into with this "merge" MONOPOLY, but never knew investing was mandatory and positive response to those investments was required.
BOTH Sirius and xm are not following their agreements with the FCC and now expect consumers to pay more for their management failings.
NO! to Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY.
give me 1 valid reason to why you think that an insignificant industry (Sat. radio) would not benefit from this merger? Don't say MONOPOLY because when one of these companies "Xm" goes bankrupt, there will be nothing legally that can be done to prevent Sirius from raising prices, and when that happens , the government/FCC will be the morons,who by their inability to act would be hurting the "public interest" buy giving us no choice but to listen to terrestrial radio or our mp3/ipods.
mitchman79k,
"when one of these companies "Xm" goes bankrupt" they will either reorganize themselves OR be sold and the competition WILL continue. aka NO MONOPOLY. As said before Sirius and xm can continue to cry us all a river, but consumers are NOT the ones who will be held to pay for their management failings while blaming everything under the sun as their competition. The DOJ might have been fooled by Sirius/xm cash, the FCC and smart consumers know better.
The industry, consumers will NOT benefit from a Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY.
WRONG way to spin it mitchman79k between you and the other blind satrad fanboys Ryan is so right "Send in the Clowns"
NO! to Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY.
"It's been 14 months and I still don't know what to think, I have my staff writing several different proposals", once they are done we will throw darts at them to determine how we should rule. By the way lighten up on Georgetown Jackels, and the NAB once our terms expire who better to pay us the big bucks to lobby, just look at Ashcraft, Brownback and Thornburg.
"It's been 14 months and I still don't know what to think, I have my staff writing several different proposals", once they are done we will throw darts at them to determine how we should rule. By the way lighten up on Georgetown Jackels, and the NAB once our terms expire who better to pay us the big bucks to lobby, just look at Ashcraft, Brownback and Thornburg.
Nobody has addressed the key points: "How much have 'The Bagman' from The NAB and Georgetown put in Martin's Freezer?"
SAW
Nobody has addressed the key points: "How much have 'The Bagman' from The NAB and Georgetown put in Martin's Freezer?"
SAW
Nobody has addressed the key points: "How much have 'The Bagman' from The NAB and Georgetown put in Martin's Freezer?"
SAW
Nobody has addressed the key points: "How much have 'The Bagman' from The NAB and Georgetown put in Martin's Freezer?"
SAW
"It's been 14 months and I still don't know how to single post"
" By the way lighten up on" the Blind, ignorant satrad fanboys they listen to what ever lies Sirius/xm spout and take it all as the truth without thinking about it. These fanboy "clowns" as Ryan now calls them have ZERO knowledge of how competition is the life blood of any industry. Competition is what made satrad be what it is currently Competition is what keeps quality, choice and PRICE in line. Without competition the industry and consumers LOSE
"Send in the Clowns"
NO! to Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY.
F that letter is a bad letter FCC , FAA both Both are messing up peoples lives.
The FAA no doubt has it in for American Airlines and the public and the FCC taking over a year is doing the same thing F------ with the public and investors.
Those aircraft were inspected and the wires found safe. Maybe not what the FCC wanted but safe to fly and should have given time to bundle the wires without stoping all flights. F--- the public is the way our Gov works.
Just a thought Boeing made the planes why is it American that has to fix Boeings work and why is Boing not paying for the fix?
Some of these posts sound like NAB "plants". Its funny how the wording is here, kinda like a broken record.........
e.g. - NO! to Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY.
Posted by: Blind, ignorant satrad fanboy | April 11, 2008 6:00 PM
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e.g. - NO to satrad "merge" MONOPOLY! The FCC should turn the tables reject this "merge" MONOPOLY and require Sirius and xm to follow their current license agreements to a T.
Ignorant, blind satrad fanboys will never learn Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY is a LOSE for consumers.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward | April 11, 2008 4:37 PM
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e.g. - You wrongly place blame on the FCC for the mess Sirius/xm have gotten themselves into with this "merge" MONOPOLY, but never knew investing was mandatory and positive response to those investments was required.
BOTH Sirius and xm are not following their agreements with the FCC and now expect consumers to pay more for their management failings.
NO! to Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward | April 11, 2008 5:08 PM
Mrwirez,
Nice try blind ignorant satrad fanboy but WRONG again....
????????????????
BOTH Sirius and xm are not following their agreements with the FCC and now expect consumers to pay more for their management failings
How is that??? You say it is going to cost consumers more but in fact it is going to cost less. The merger will save money and i only see the price staying the same or going down.
If they up the price churn will go nuts with the price of food gas ect they are must haves and Sat radio would be one of the first things to go.
Management falings i do not know any that have anything to do with a merger.
John,
Which is why your a blind, ignorant satrad fanboy. As Ryan says "Send in the Clowns"
Ryan: "Despite this fact, NPR has historically been vehemently opposed to the Sirius-XM merger, stating that a merged entity "might reduce the amount and quality of public radio programming" available on satellite radio."
I have often thought that NPR's objection to satellite was because it saw it as a true competitor for funds. People "subscribe" (or "join) Public Radio much as they do for satellite, also based on the idea that they are "commercial free" as well. People who pay for radio might be a lot less receptive come fund raising time.
I get the feeling that there is one douchebag in the NAB who is posting all of these anti-merger messages. The regular guy on the street just doesn't care. Your average SatRad subscriber or shareholder strongly supports the merger. No one else outside of Clear Channel, the NAB, and a few other small operations gives a shit!
Bill Cooke, You too are wrong. When Ryan said "Send in the Clowns" who knew that there were so many "clowns" out there?
Like you a small few ignorant, blind satrad fanboys (wrongly) think "merge" MONOPOLY is a good idea there are others much smarter than you who think (know) "merge" MONOPOLY is a BAD idea for the satrad industry and consumers. Comments have nothing to do with the NAB or clear channel. "merge" MONOPOLY = No choice, No competition and, higher prices.
Think your WRONG accusation is just the opposite. It's the ignorant, blind, satrad fanboys pushing for the "merge" MONOPOLY which don't understand how good satrad is currently and want the satrad industry to destroy itself with a "merge" MONOPOLY.
NO! to Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY.
John,
Which is why your a blind, ignorant satrad fanboy. As Ryan says "Send in the Clowns"
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I love that one no reason given and he admits he does not like sat radio.
So why is he posting on a sat radio site?
Yes i like sat radio now tell us why you do not like sat radio is it because it is better than your radio station? If you do not want to use your name how about using your stations call letters.
John,
WRONG again "Which is AGAIN why your a blind, ignorant satrad fanboy. As Ryan says "Send in the Clowns"
Who said anything about not liking sat radio? Who said you have to be a blind, ignorant satrad fanboy and for the "merge" MONOPOLY to be labeled as on who likes sat radio? It's the ignorant, blind, satrad fanboys pushing for the "merge" MONOPOLY which don't understand how good satrad is currently and want the satrad industry to destroy itself with a "merge" MONOPOLY.
If you were not a blind, ignorant satrad fanboy you might have the ability to understand, blind, ignorant satrad fanboy's like yourself are in the minority when it comes to satrad customers who like our service like it is, without "merge" MONOPOLY = No choice, No competition and, higher prices.
If the FCC says no i am just as happy all i want is for the FCC to act so sat radio can get back to normal.
I like the idea of the merger but not the price Sirius is paying so i am just as happy with no merger.
Anonymous Coward: I'll be glad when the BUYOUT of XM happens. Then i don't have to look at your ignorant repetitious rants using the same lines over and over. ("satrad fanboy" "merge" MONOPOLY" oh, i see you have a new one: "send in the clowns" blah blah blah blah
blah ) You spend all that time on here as if those rants will make a difference. The FCC WILL APPROVE the merger of the two companies and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. But you go ahead, post all you want....blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
John,
Normal is what we currently have in satrad.
kicking your dumb ass, That just about answers itself.....
Dream on ignorant, blind, satrad fanboy the FCC should do the right thing, the PRO-CONSUMER thing and BLOCK this "merge" MONOPOLY and force Sirius and xm to follow the commitments they made when they obtained licenses to operate. Sadly its "clowns like yourself who get so upset with the TRUTH.
Ignorant, blind satrad fanboys will never learn Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY is a LOSE for consumers.
listen! i dont want that HD radio crap on any receiver!..its awful and serves the public no purpose....i have sirius and HD radio in my car and believe me when i tell you! IT IS AWFUL!!!!!!...it was a waste of money to purchase even though its free it still is awful and will never last especially when those donkey's controling it have done nothing to IMPROVE IT!!!!!!!
and to the FM RADIO freaks that keeps comin on our website with the bullsh*t!!!! NO ONE IS LISTENING TO YOUR PETTY CRIES OF A MONOPOLY!! do you donke's even have sat radio or did the NAB pay you off to come to the SAT RAD sites!!!! F'in losers!!!!!
how stupid can you NAB supporters be??????.....both companies are barely breathing competing against each other and all you clowns keep sayin is "watch....the prices will go up"..ok so an item that IS NOT a necessity with a subscription fee will go up because of a merger???...stupid.. no one is obligated to buy what they dont want..and even if they pulled a stunt like that im sure most people will cancel anyway and SAT RAD sinks like the titanic!...THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!!!!!! did mel karmazin tell you that personally or did the douce bags at the NAB pay you to say that like they payed off politicians to deliberately lie to the public about the merger!!!! i cant believe a bunch of clueless FM radio supporters that KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SAT RAD!!!! so do us a favor go back to your JACK-FM or you star-100 and eat a dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SAT RAD FAN BOY????? YOU NAB SUPPORTERS ARE NOT FUNNY JUST LIKE MOST FM MORNING SHOWS!!!!!!
Oh but YOU ARE Lou YOU ARE
" LISTENING TO THE TRUTH OF A MONOPOLY!!"
NO! to ignorant, blind, satrad fanboys like lou and ill rated
NO! to Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY.
Adelstein is a douche
I think we have someone that has been banned on most boards that thinks he has found a new home on this site.
I think we have someone that has been banned on most boards that thinks he has found a new home on this site.
Posted by: John
I say we ban him now.
they should ban that donkey....he's an idiot with no conclusive evidence! instead of anonymous coward they should have NAB supporter where the name is....
and to you! the douche bag who keeps posting these ridiculous rumors about monopolies.....the NAB and you have NO room to talk....when clear channel, cbs radio, radio one etc. and all those companies bought all those stations and diluted every station in the U.S. thats not a monopoly? you gotta be kidding me..how many independent radio stations are there in the U.S. nowadays compared to monopolized stations? answer that one since you think you know everything...go listen to your "Brian and Christopher in the Morning" and go bug them about it! oh i forgot terrestrial radio wont allow you idiots to talk about it on air! i guess they fear losing more listeners to a diluted product like regular radio...
Oh but YOU ARE Lou YOU ARE: posted by an anonymous coward
i am what......far more intelligent then you are?....i absolutely agree!
Ok Here is the definition of Monopoly - In Economics, monopoly (also "Pure monopoly") exists when a specific individual or enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it. [1] Monopolies are thus characterized by a lack of economic competition for the good or service that they provide and a lack of viable substitute goods. [2] Alternatively (a modern and less common usage), it may be used as a verb or adjective to refer to the process (see Monopolism) by which a firm gains persistently greater market share than what is expected under perfect competition. The latter usage of the term is invoked in the theory of monopolistic competition.
Now tell me, Is there another place I can get to listen to radio if I dont like satelite radio? Ofcourse there is. It's called terrestrial radio and internet radio and ipods/mp3 players.
So please explain to me how a monopoly in satelite radio will wipe out competition in the complex radio industry? It won't !!!! Your using the word MONOPOLY to produce fear in the consumer. Just like the NAB you are failing to realize the American public always has the final say in where they want to spend there money
Facts:
1, The average man on the street doesn't care if the companies merge or not. It is not going to effect his life. The only merger he might care about is Exxon-Mobil which was approved very quickly.
2. Shareholders of XM and Sirius know that both companies can't survive, so if there is going to be a SATRAD system they NEED to merge. That way there will be a viable alternative to local radio. Why else would Clear Channel care so much about this? Do you really think they care about the consumer? But a viable SATRAD operation will hurt them. Local radio is so fucking horrible that people would pay $13 a month or more for SATRAD. But if SATRAD raises the prices too much people will cancel and listen to something else.
Have to say it again for lou who has agian proven his ignorance
"NO ONE IS LISTENING TO YOUR PETTY CRIES OF A MONOPOLY!!"
Oh but YOU ARE slow Lou YOU ARE LISTENING TO THE TRUTH ABOUT A MONOPOLY!!
listen up cupcake! you have totally failed to mention any reason this merger is a monopoly!
"NO ONE IS LISTENING TO YOUR PETTY CRIES OF A MONOPOLY!!"
Oh but YOU ARE slow Lou YOU ARE LISTENING TO THE TRUTH ABOUT A MONOPOLY!!
this is all you got!.....wow! who let these uneducated fools on our site?
lou, IGNORANT,
Look at every radio market in the US does just one company control every channel in the market? in the industry? the answer is NO. There are many companies, some even independents which make up the terrestrial radio industry, not one company controls the industry. Unlike what you and the couple other small group of ignorant, blind satrad fanboys can't figure out is IF the FCC allows the Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY, allows Sirius and xm to ignore the agreements they made to obtain their operating licenses we will then have a MONOPOLY in satrad. The "small group of ignorant, blind satrad fanboys" then wrongly claim satrad compete's with every type of audio known to man, like said WRONGLY CLAIM. As a satrad customer, as a smart consumer there is nothing that currently compete's with satrad if the "small group of ignorant, blind satrad fanboys" can't be honest about that there is no hope for them, IGNORANCE win's. Though the FCC will not allow IGNORANCE to make the choice like the DOJ did about this "merge" MONOPOLY.
TRUTH and FACTS this has nothing to do with the NAB, this has nothing to do with what the terrestrial radio industry can or can't provide, this has nothing to do with internet radio since internet radio does not have the reach satrad has, funny satrad is also available on the internet does that mean Sirius satrad is competing with Sirius internet, Xm satrad is competing with xm internet? Does it also mean Sirius satrad is competing with themselves since they are also available on Dishnetwork? Does it also mean xm satrad is competing with themselves since they are also available on Directv?
You "clowns" have lots to learn....
Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY = No choice, No competition and, higher prices.
dumb ass says: "Look at every radio market in the US does just one company control every channel in the market? in the industry? the answer is NO"
stupid!!! i named 3 companies! radio 1, clear channel and cbs radio you donkey!
1. so they buy up all the stations and that isnt a monopoly????? your a hypocrite who obviously has no idea what your talking about you donkey!
2. even if they raise the price most people will find alternatives!!!!!! and Sat Rad loses money and goes bankrupt you donkey!
3. if the merger doesn't go through then bankruptcy most likely occurs and sat radio and my receivers becomes obsolete you donkey!
4. dumb ass says "The "small group of ignorant, blind satrad fanboys" then wrongly claim satrad compete's with every type of audio known to man, like said WRONGLY CLAIM"
....then who do they compete with you donkey?????? i guess the HD commercials on reg. radio claiming "no subscription fees" is not competing? i guess terrestrial radio banning on-air personalities talking about the merger is not competing you donkey!
5. dumb ass says: "he's a satrad customer" yet we are sat rad fan boys (you are so gay)
6. dumb ass says: IF the FCC allows the Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY, allows Sirius and xm to ignore the agreements they made to obtain their operating licenses we will then have a MONOPOLY in satrad
who the fu*k cares! what are you a fuc*in politian? if you dont like the merger then cancel a$$h*le! no one is making you subscriber you are not obligated to stay, and stop wasting peoples time with false allegations of "price raises" and monopolies"
Look at Dish and Direct TV and all the satellites they are using. It is insane to have two companies using so many satellites to duplicate the same channels.
The Dish Direct merger should have been allowed. Because it was not allowed people have less TV. So many satellites doing the same thing when the satellites could be used to carry channels that they do not have room for now. As it is now they need to compress to the point that the picture is degraded.
It is the same for Sat Radio the cost is so much less if only half the satellites are needed.
Do not be fooled by posts about the price going up with a merger that is not going to happen. The price it is now is slowing down the growth.
how can people say xm/sirius is a monopoly when radio stations consolidated in 96 to help a financially unstable terrestrial market..before a company would be limited to owning roughly 40 stations nationwide, when this 1996 legislation was passed, there was suddenly no limit of what you could own. Thousands of radio stations changed hands and companies that wanted to get on radio were able to pull up some enormous multi-billion dollar mergers. And suddenly a company that once owned three-dozen stations could suddenly own a thousand.so when anonymous coward says sat rad is a monopoly, so is radio consolidation and the FCC lifted the rule much like what they should with this merger now being allowed!
Think before you speak!!!!!
Sirius/xm "merger = more choice, more stability and less money!
anonymous coward= douche bag who obviously works for the NAB
John, first thanks for keeping the discussion on the level instead of taking the discussion to the childish, ignorant depth that Lou has.
Dish / Direct was NOT ALLOWED because it too was a "merge" MONOPOLY. I respectfully disagree and am happy that "merge" MONOPOLY was blocked much like the FCC should do to the Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY. As a consumer I could care less how much infrastructure a corporation must setup to do business, it's the corporations problem to both provide the infrastructure for them to do business at a price consumers will pay, just because they can't make money doesn't mean the consumer needs to allow them to become a "merge" MONOPOLY = No choice, No competition and, higher prices.
Lou when you say "dumb ass" you sure must be looking in the mirror.
1)If we take your ignorant logic NO "3" companies owning stations is not a MONOPOLY but slow, ignorant Lou, Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY makes 1 company owning and providing satrad
2) nothing of fact here, just ignorant lou logic.
3)Tthe "merge" MONOPOLY doesn't go thru, you think they both will go bankrupt? Who said? just ignorant lou logic. GOOD let them both go bankrupt it's not the consumer who needs to take the hit for Sirius and xm's management to learn how to make money.
4)You Lou are complete ignorant fool if you believe satrad has competition from what you claim is "diluted" terrestrial radio. Even UN-"diluted" terrestrial radio doesn't compete nor offer the same qualities as satrad, nor do iPods, singing, internet, cassette tapes, 8tracks, cd's, md's, mp3's compete with satrad, again it's all just ignorant lou logic.
5) control you ignorant self lou, we see your all bunched up and upset at the truth no need to question your sexual orientation too. We're talking about satrad here.
6)Oh if the FCC doesn't do the pro-consumer thing, if this "merge" MONOPOLY happens MANY MANY will cancel our satrad subscriptions since smart, thinking consumers don't like or want MONOPOLY's = No choice, No competition and, higher prices. Sirius and xm should be made to follow their original agreements they made to obtain their operating licenses. We wouldn't be dealing with "merge" MONOPOLY. Those agreements Sirius and xm made were made to protect the consumer, it's ignorant, blind satrad fanboys like yourself Lou who don't have the ability to figure simple things like that out.
"merge" MONOPOLY = No choice, No competition and, higher prices.
John,
Can we agree that Sirius and xm are filled to the limit of their sat bandwidth? xm was removing channels to make room for others. Your claim of:
"It is the same for Sat Radio the cost is so much less if only half the satellites are needed.
Is untrue IF consumers are to expect the same quantity and quality of satrad as we have currently. You take half of the sat's away you remove half of the potential bandwidth that Sirus and xm currently have. What channels get taken away for good? "merge" MONOPOLY = No choice, No competition and, higher prices.
Lou, again "Think before you speak!!!!!"
If we take your ignorant logic Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY makes 1 company owning and providing satrad. ONE, 1 company in the satad business = "merge" MONOPOLY There is NOT ONE, 1 company which owns and provides terrestrial radio. Not that it matters because terrestrial radio, iPods, singing, internet, cassette tapes, 8tracks, cd's, md's, mp3's DO NOT directly compete with satrad. Yet again just ignorant lou logic.
Lou like you for some reason bringing your sexual orientation into the thread the NAB has nothing to do with posts here. Yet more ignorant lou logic.
"merge" MONOPOLY = No choice, No competition and, higher prices.
AC there is no truth to this mysterious "MONOPOLY" conclusion you are making, atleast not here in reality. The Government/ FCC is suppose to have the publics best interest in mind. The public seems to agree and says that the government can and should guarantee satelite radios future by allowing them to merge. If they do allow Sirius/Xm merge, they, by being the government could alway say that they want final say, when it comes to price hikes.
Ryan I beg you to post the Anonymous Cowards IP address. I have a "friend" that does data mining. We could put him all kinds of mailing lists.
you know.... THAT NAB planted guy
"merge" MONOPOLY
blind satrad fanboys
NO! to Sirius/xm
For the love of God, stop using the term: "merge" MONOPOLY.
It's not even English. Reading your grammatically broken ranting is like nails on a chalkboard. I respect your opinion, just try to present it at a minimum of a 5th grade reading level.
Here, I'll give you a hint to get you started. "Merge" is verb, "monopoly" is a noun.
1st. on some real shit people! that is messed up if some NAB dude is writing on here with his "sat rad fan boy", "merge=monopoly, "no to sirius/xm" non-sense! there is NO WAY this so called satellite radio subscriber as he/she calls themselves is even a legit subscriber!
im sure the NAB is well aware of this site and they have created websites and groups consisting of NAB or NAB associated people in the past so its obvious they are employees!
2nd. to anonymous coward, don't advertise my name on here like you fuckin know me!
you don't even have the balls to say who you are so don't pull that bullshit in here asshole!
if you have a problem with this merger then call the FCC we don't care! the merger is pending so cry to them not us, its obvious most of us agree and you seem to be the only one on your team !
heres what NAB guy writes to someone:
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John,
Normal is what we currently have in satrad.
kicking your dumb ass, That just about answers itself.....
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thats real tough talk dumbass! threaten people over a merger!
your mother must be proud!
p.s.
that threat was posted April 11, 2008 9:47 PM
Lou
You never fail to show your complete IGNORANCE here.
(kicking your dumb ass | April 11, 2008 9:23 PM) was a handle that someone IGNORANT like yourself used to post a comment, it was NO THREAT, it was a fool making a stupid comment, much your yours ignorant Lou. As Pasted below... Funny you missed it while desperately searching for nonsense.
"Anonymous Coward: I'll be glad when the BUYOUT of XM happens. Then i don't have to look at your ignorant repetitious rants using the same lines over and over. ("satrad fanboy" "merge" MONOPOLY" oh, i see you have a new one: "send in the clowns" blah blah blah blah
blah ) You spend all that time on here as if those rants will make a difference. The FCC WILL APPROVE the merger of the two companies and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. But you go ahead, post all you want....blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Posted by: kicking your dumb ass | April 11, 2008 9:23 PM"
Ignorant Lou,
WRONG AGAIN, your logic is missing with each post. As said these posts have nothing to do with NAB and as a SATRAD subscriber to both services at one time or another this poster probably has more time and money invested in satrad that your ignorant self.
"1st. on some real shit people! that is messed up if some NAB dude is writing on here with his "sat rad fan boy", "merge=monopoly, "no to sirius/xm" non-sense! there is NO WAY this so called satellite radio subscriber as he/she calls themselves is even a legit subscriber!"
Do us all a favor and get some common sense ignorant Lou, YOU and the small group of blind, ignorant satrad fanboys are in the minority on this "merge" MONOPOLY.
Joe Workman, these are comments on a "merge" MONOPOLY if you can't handle what others say turn off the computer. Asking for banning, IP address to putting other people "on mailing lists" is not only stupid, unethical, it's most likely comes with legal action too. Everyone can post their thoughts, you don't like what someone says relax they probably don't like what you post either. Would you like Ryan to post your IP address too, all for participating on his website? No NAB here, would hope the NAB would be able to post better, luckly the NAB like the FCC like the majority of smart consumers know:
"merge" MONOPOLY = No choice, No competition and, higher prices.
NO! to Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY
Anonymous Coward u write:
(kicking your dumb ass | April 11, 2008 9:23 PM) was a handle that someone IGNORANT like yourself used to post a comment, it was NO THREAT, it was a fool making a stupid comment, much your yours ignorant Lou. As Pasted below... Funny you missed it while desperately searching for nonsense.
1. wrong answer asshole!!! Funny you missed it while desperately searching for excuses.
2. wheres the proof at?....false allegations like your anti merger bullshit
3. you could never kick my ass
to the NAB coward:
1. wrong again on the IP address (go ask ryan, GO AHEAD AND ASK if you think im lying!!!!!)
2.YOU SAY: Asking for banning, IP address to putting other people "on mailing lists" is not only stupid, unethical, it's most likely comes with legal action too
I SAY: try and take legal action with your false allegations and insufficient evidence! i didnt do it
3. YOU SAY: Do us all a favor and get some common sense ignorant Lou, YOU and the small group of blind, ignorant satrad fanboys are in the minority on this "merge" MONOPOLY.
I SAY: small group????? i beg to differ!
ps Ignorant Lou,
As a satrad subscriber am happy with what am paying for currently. The "merge" MONOPOLY is not being done to benefit the consumer as your blind satrad fanboy pea brain was told, just one of many lies you seem to cherish as the truth. The cheerleaders for the "merge" MONOPOLY might just be the NAB since smart consumers who are also satrad subscribers think our current CHOICE in satrad works and benefits us the consumers. Current satrad CHOICE, COMPETITION have kept prices in check, and the quality up. Both companies are doing what competing corporations do, they are bringing content and quality to each of their offerings to entice consumers to become subscribers. As a smart consumer, pleased with what we got currently, there is NOTHING pro-consumer about a "merge" MONOPOLY. John brought up a "merged" satrad company could have less sat's making costs less, both Sirius and xm are full bandwidth wise with two separate systems how will using less infrastructure aka sat's still allow a "merged" MONOPOLY Sirius provide what consumers currently have? What channels will go? Will the content providers even stay with a "merge" MONOPOLY? Come on ignorant Lou with a "merge" MONOPOLY price will be higher for less service or are you still living the fantasy that a "merged" MONOPOLY is going to provide all the choice we currently enjoy, for less money and then keep on innovating and competing with itself to entice consumers to become subscribers. Keep up the ignorance Lou keep up the fantasy, if the FCC screws up and allows this "merge" MONOPOLY it's not going to be only consumers which are going to lose, the satrad industry will lose too. Smart consumers know direct competition is healthy for both consumers and corporations.
"merge" MONOPOLY = No choice, No competition and, higher prices.
NO! to Sirius/xm "merge" MONOPOLY
I BET THE COWARD EITHER WORKS FOR THE NAB OR A TERRESTRIAL RADIO STATION!
THAT STUFF HE'S SAYIN SOUNDS LIKE THE BULLSHIT THE NAB IS SHOVING DOWN PEOPLES THROAT!
HOW IS VOICING AN OPINION IGNORANT? WERE SUPPOSEDLY IGNORANT SAT RAD FAN BOYS BECAUSE WE WANT TO SAVE MONEY, YOU COME IN HERE POSING AS A SUBSCRIBER AND LIE TO PEOPLE ABOUT SHIT THE NAB BEEN SAYING FOR A WHILE...YOU WORK FOR THE NAB OR FM/AM RADIO THERE IS NO WAY A SUBSCRIBER WOULD COME IN HERE AND SAY SHIT LIKE THAT AND STILL WANT TO KEEP THEIR SERVICE!
What i expect with a merged sat rad is some channels will go and more will be added.
What will go is the ones that play the same thing and it can mean less compresson and a better sound.
Sat radio cannot reuse spectrum like sat tv does in many cases and that makes for even more reason for a merger of sat radio.
Sat radio is not going to take away anything that people want it is all about something for everybody so lets stop with this less with a merger talk.
Merger means more and the only people that will loose the number of channels will be those that have Both Sirius and XM. NOT A LOSS OF CONTENT BUT CHANNEL NUMBER COUNT.