Spotted: Opie & Anthony in Washington, DC

Spotted in DC, a bunch of hack nobody's who will soon be replaced by Bubba 24/7 because NOBODY listens to them. They will be moving from 202 to 0.0. Too bad Greg & Tony have never had an original thought in their lives.

O & A kick butt! I love their show and I get everyone I know to listen to tune in.

Ramooooooooone, get the haters to floss themselves with razors and rubbing alcohol...

The misspelling of "Cummia" did make me laugh, but not quite as much as anonymous coward trying to rip the top show in NYC and Satellite Radio and suggesting that they will be replaced by a guy who proclaimed his hate for Howie while on 98 Rock and XM.

Ah yes, not a day goes by that I don't misspell something. I must be corrrrected...

(Updated the post thanks)

Myself being a Stern fan, I still gave them a listen on my friend's XM once, and man, these guys are pretty weak. They can't even operate their board right, it was just noise all over. Stern controls the board himself, and the show is just better run. I like Breur on Sirius too, but always thought his sound quality was weak too, but nothing like these two. Roll in that their material is also just as bad, and you've got no reason to like them. If I want untalented Stern banter, I can sit around with my friends.

In general, a lot of you XM fans say, "Oh why would I want a merger? All the good stuff is on XM." XM is known for having very few DJs on what are basically just iPods disguised as radio stations. Also, the study that swung Stern over to Sirius was that of all early adopters who actually bought both services then dropped one, the vast majority judged Sirius as far superior. I'd wager XM is still better than regular radio, but you guys really don't seem to understand that XM is weaker programming that what Sirius offers.

That all said and done, I would like to hear O&A on a merged, Sirius dial. I think Stern would have their mixing improved and generally force them to tighten up their show. Besides, I think they do 4 hours of terrestial followed by 2 hours of Satellite now, cutting them down to 4 hours would likely improve the show. If Stern was in repeats or running commericials, I could see checking an improved O&A out.

A side benefit would be Dice Clay would really look like an idiot since he bounces between the shows like a whore.

I can't wait for the merger to go through so that Oral & Anally get dropped faster than Don Imus.

Wait! Anthony was on the best morning radio show ever. see it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8J-8TFxJ3Q

Martin, I am a former dual sub and everything you said I agree with in reverse. I fucking hated the Sirius DJ's. Unless it's a show like the Eddie Trunk show I don't need anyone to intro the song for me, that's so FM. Especially when the radio itself shows the band & song name. Opie controls the board on O&A and the frantic nature of it is part of the show. Stern doesn't control his board, Fred does. I had both services and dropped Sirius, finding XM much better. If you knew the history of the show you'd know Dice will never be back on O&A. So to each his own. At least right now you have the choice to go with one or the other. Mel is trying to take that choice away from you.

Jason, Do you think Anthony hides his Howard appearances? He talks about them from time to time. This is a great clip from a time when a great show was in its prime. It's sad what has happen to Howard's show over the past 10 years. It was the best morning show ever, it just doesn't exist anymore.

Oh, and you're an ass. The I-man walked away with 20mill and is about to sign a new contract, poor guy. And I'm sure as the #1 show in the largest market in the world O&A are worried about getting dropped. Fanboys have been saying that since they started almost 1 1/2 years ago.

>>>Also, the study that swung Stern over to Sirius was that of all early adopters who actually bought both services then dropped one

Martin, as a ex-stern listener (8 years) its crap like this posted above is why i won't listen to howard. the only reason stern went to sirius is because they payed him over half a billion dollars. the fact that you think howard has any morals just shows how dumb you are . i have had both services at one time and i like xm better. xm's music channels have deeper playlist and ron and fez. siruis is great for people who want to hear songs they know and love but i want to hear everything and found xm fit me better. so lets drop this merger talk , you keep what you like and i'll keep what i like. if sirius was so great you wouldn't be looking over are fence , you would be enjoying your service.

OK, I normally stay out of these arguments, since I think they're all hacks, but...

did both restopro and pfreak claim that O&A are the top-ranked show in NYC?!? Neither of them qualified by saying among any specific demographic, but claimed that the b-b-boys are number 1. Link, please!

I'm so looking forward to Orbitcast member "Hoo Hoo" to make his post. It will read some thing like this: "I was on D.C. radio first. Tell 'em, Fred!" Oh wait, that is true...

Let me address your post piece by piece:
"They can't even operate their board right" " - Stern run his own board?! That would require some kind of talent. In the NYC studios generally the sound is good and Opie will run the board, constantly fiddling with the levels to make sure the best quailty sound comes out. ALSO they really don't talk about that hack Stern on the show. ANOTHER FALACY by the last of a dying breed called a Stern fan. Can you honestly tell me that Hoo Hoo is ALWAYS funny? He himself admitted that he's been calling it in since the late 80's. Guess you enjoy listening to rehashed crap - pretty much the only thing he does lately.

I was one of the people who had a subscription to both XM and Sirius and opted for XM. The R & D in the company and their equipment is far superior to ANYTHING Sirius has in the market. I also found the programming of both similar.

"the study that swung Stern over to Sirius" - What study? XM wouldn't give Howie the money he wanted because HE"S NOT WORTH IT! NO ONE is that talented or important enough to warrant a salary of 1/2 a billion! It was because of Howie's salary that the company really became finacially unstable (Both XM & Sirius were running in the red BUT at least XM had enough sense to just say NO to absurd salary requests!)

One point to note - O & A have a much larger audience then Howie has right now - being on terrestrial and satelite radio was a huge move for the boys. Having them broadcast from Howie's old studio is a Plus (think he's a little pissed about that?)

"I think Stern would have their mixing improved and generally force them to tighten up their show." I find this comment interesting....are you ASSuming that Stern would be telling them what and not what to do on their show (Ie. O & A's new PD?????) Stern doesn't give two craps about anyone but himself. As for "If Stern was in repeats" he spends more time OFF the air then performing live.
and finally..."A side benefit would be Dice Clay would really look like an idiot since he bounces between the shows like a whore." This comment just shows how out of touch you are - Dice hasn'r been on O & A since the WNEW days. He whored himself out to the boys then and now has tried to bed with Howie hoping to revive a long dead career. To give you an example about what a pussy Dice is, Opie called into the Brother Weeze show when Dice was on and confronted him - Dice's pussy response HE HUNG UP THE PHONE and SAID NOTHING!

Stern was good in the old days (80s) and he did open a lot of doors back in the day - I give him that. But now a days it's Opie & Anthony making the headlines, growing a larger audience and gaining more noterity then Stern is. And this is probably PISSING his selfcentered egoistical self off

I began with Sirius because of Howard. A purchase of a new car in December came with XM built in. I feel "qualified" to compare the two. Generally, I'd give XM the edge for music stations, and Sirius the edge for talk stations. XM probably has a slight edge on the comedy channels, but that Canadian comedy channel has got to go. And why the bleeps on National Lampoon?
I really wanted to like O&A. They seem like OK guys, but I just have not heard anything funny at all. I do miss Howard's show, though it's become harder and harder to identify with him like in the past because of his new lifestyle. I would still laugh out loud at Howard; I have yet to laugh at O&A. I also miss Sirius Left, and Air America is pretty boring in comparison. I was thrilled when I first heard about a merger. I wouldn't have to add a radio to my new car, and still get Howard back. Now it looks like that will never happen. If I want to hear Howard, looks like I'll be forced to buy a new radio, and why should I if XM is already built in? So, pretty disappointed about the merger now. Bottom line: How much longer will Howard do his show anyway? Three years?
Finally, I'm still waiting for Jim Norton to say something funny. O&A should really put more effort into this show.

If you don't find Jimmy Norton funny the show is not for you. Don't listen.

Ramooooone.......Get Martin a noose and a step stool!

Nice seeing everyone support satRad....jesus christ this is ridiculous!

o&a...not funny. neither one of them. I do listen to them from 8-9 everyday since they've been on terrestrial radio, before Howard west coast feed. Never laughed once. And the whole 'we do hacky bits to make fun of hacky radio' thing doesn't fly if you're overdoing hacky bits. It make them hacks.

Jim Norton...funny. Just not on o&a. It's like he dumbs his stand-up down, and joins in the saying the words all wacky, because saying words all wacky is 'funny'.

Howard's been doing radio for 30+ years. I've been listening regularly since I've been 15. The show is still smart. It's not all cock and ball jokes, like people who stopped listening think. Artie is extremely funny. Fred's a genius. Howard may be getting close to retirement, but it's not like he hasn't made and still makes great radio. If he retires in 3 1/2 years, so be it. Radio still goes on.

Bubba the Love Sponge...funny show. Any got real info of Bubba moving to get rid of o&a, or is that all pointless nonsense?

Bruer Unleashed...does need better audio quality. It's really funny.

Scott Ferrall...best sports show I've ever heard.

Ron and Fez...zzzzz.

I'm stirring up the arguement pot.

I don't listen to Howard, but I do listen to Bubba/C&R and Ferrall, Ferrall has the best sports show I have heard hands down. His voice might be rought when you first hear it, but it grows on you. Geesus, who would have thought, a Sirius Subscriber that listens to everything except Howard.

did anyone mention ron and fez???
always under the radar.

How can anyone give ron & fez some zzzzzzz's? Their show is very original, and Ron Bennington is a fuckin' comedic genuis. If you don't like Ron & Fez you are douche. Good day sir.

Honestly I don't think anyone (well Stern or O&A-related). Satellite radio is about listening choice. Howard has an older, geriatric demo while the boys have a young-to-middle aged demo. When grandma says she likes Howard, that means you're dead (see the Macarena, pop music, etc.).

Now I can't say if Sirius-XM decides to go by numbers. The hard facts (even posted here on Orbitcast) are that Howard didn't pull the subs like he was expected to. "SiRi-XM" may re-evaluate their relationship with Howard. Unlike O&A, Stern was brought on to bring massive amounts of subs directly from his Infinity show. O&A however didn't come directly off of terrestrial and onto XM. For being off the face of the broadcasting face of the earth, they've pulled their numbers.

We can't hide the fact that for going off of numbers, Howard is a heavy financial burden on the proposed new company. At any other company, he would be fired or he would have to reduce his pay/budget for his program. They are after all doing this merger to not only to be a media powerhouse but to save money. Howard Stern's cost to performance can't be shown as a positive value for the XM-SIrius shareholders.

"Howard has an older, geriatric demo while the boys have a young-to-middle aged demo."

I'm 25. Actually just moved from one demo to another. I do feel old. Didn't o&a used to charge people to listen? And we see that got scrapped for being way too much money to count, and now they're FREE for over half the show. Granted 10min commercial blocks every 25min do bring in money. If Howard brought even only 1M listeners over with him. 1M x $12.95= $12,950,000/month x 12 months= $155,400,000yr. If he makes 100M/yr and at least brings in $155.4M, I don't see that as being too hard of a hit finacialy for any company. Granted it was a lot up front to take a risk of nobody coming, but I do see Sirius gaining more and more ground on XM every quarter. Not saying they'll for sure pass, but if they're running parrell at some point, will Howard being too much of a finacial burden be a question anymore? And will Howard ever get credit for anything he's done in his career, or will it be he's been ripped off, told his show is basically for idiots, made KRock what it is for o&a to even have the markets they do have, helped a struggling satellite company come around enough to make a merger of Equals not even be laughed at by XM who was crushing them? Howard's done nothing in his career, apparently.

But I do agree on the listening choice. I choose Sirius. Others choose XM. I'll never debate that.

'If you don't like Ron & Fez you are douche.'
And if you like Ron and Fez, You are obviously not very smart. Good day indeed, good fellow.

Quoting the NY Daily News: (go to http://tinyurl.com/2olw7x)

"Opie and Anthony, who took over from the unfortunate David Lee Roth on WFNY last March, have doubled Roth's ratings with their target of 18- to 34-year-olds. But so far that's only meant going from 2% to about 4% of the audience, a third of Stern's old numbers."

If you don't like Ron & Fez you are douche. Good day sir.

Well, I'm sorry people don't have the same likes and dislikes as you. Life would be really boring if everyone liked the same thing.

So, according to realwx's link (Thanks, Tyler!) some guy named Elvis is tops among the young male demos that O&A fans claim are their strong suit, and #1 overall is a news station. Still waiting for the posters who made the claim that the boys are #1 in NYC to back up their assertion...

Also still waiting for "HooHoo" to post in this thread. My updated preditions: "I invented unsupported assertions! Tell 'em, Fred!"

Guys, I didn't write "shit" above. I even said I would give O&A a listen if they turned up on a Sirius radio. Just some facts though: Stern does operate his own board, like Opie does, Fred has sound effects, though Stern can even cut Fred off, and often cuts Fred's mike, reducing him to just f/x, which can be a funny burn. Usually Fred manages the bumpers coming in and out of commercials, though Howard will take over the music to fade out as the show gets rolling. I guess this means they share responsibilities, but Stern's definitely managing something because he's always calling out which mike somebody's on.

I wouldn't say I'm fully qualified to compare the two services because I've only heard the XM radio in my friend's car and a neighbor's house, but I've heard several hours and I've caught O&A moments online relating to Stern (some Dice Clay stuff, when Cabby came on, and when they appealed to Howard). I also watched a bunch of video clips. I agree these shows are fervent, but I've always thought the mix that hits the feed is too disorganized. I also stand by that they're overexposed with two radio shows a day, keep it to four hours and make them great. I do like that comedian they have in, who I've seen online and on Letterman, though I'm not big enough of a fan to remember his name.

As far as content, I really think they often miss being funny and instead just rely on saying offensive shit, like that genius Condy Rice and Laura Bush material that got them suspended. Again, cutting down by 2 hours would probably improve this. Stern screws this balance up sometimes, but not nearly as much, and usually it's a guest who fucks it up, like Gilbert Godfried. And Stern's fuckup guests are writing their own stuff when they screw up the show, unlike that homeless guy O&A had on spewing shit.

Also, I hope this comment chain isn't dead already, but what was going on with the homeless guy shopping spree O&A had. Giving them $200 or whatever for a shopping spree was interesting, and could have been funny (I didn't hear it), but when I saw the news show about it, which was just conservative bullshit, I did see Opie smash a cake one of the homeless guys bought. I don't know if the guy bought it to eat or maybe give back to O&A as a gift, but wasting food in front of the homeless like that is bullshit, I don't care about the context. Honestly, if what I saw a clip of went down the way it appeared, and I can't quite understand how you deliberately destroy food like that in some innocent way, somebody should have ploughed Opie's face into the sidewalk. Now maybe I didn't see what happened right in that short clip, so please correct me, but in retrospect, if that's where he goes for humour, he's a sack of shit. I would still check out an Anthony show.

And I'm totally cool with the overall prank, but fucking up food like that, right in front of impoverished people, whoa, that's desperation.

Finally, Dice Clay was ousted from Stern and went to O&A, then got booted there and returned to Stern. Get everybody on the same team and they can skewer him together. He's a whore.

Ryan, Why are you censoring posts about O&A? Too much of a fanboy to allow some criticism of a lame show? You accused C3sr and the NAB of censorship with the farmer Mel post....What gives? You have blocked at least three post of mine......I wonder how many are REALLY removed and or edited.

Ryan, Why are you censoring posts about O&A's lame show? You accused C3sr and the NAB of censorship with the farmer Mel post....What gives? You have blocked at least three post of mine......I wonder how many are REALLY removed and or edited.

For what its worth, I do like your site for Satrad information though.

•Martin
I love when Gilbert Godfried is on Howard. Sometimes he's over the top, but when he starts laughing I lose it. The only thing I have a problem with is the constant riding him about being a dad now. I get it...he's weirded out by it. And this week I thought the show when Jim Florentine asked out Robin was the funniest one's in recent memory, and the flow got shredded in the Wrap Up Show. Can't let Fa Fa Fooey off the hook either for bringing down a laugh sometimes, haha.

o&a do say offensive things all the time. I heard this past week, in only the one hour frame I listen, mentions of drop kicking old women down the stairs. It goes on and on. Their hatred for women is odd to me. After I heard what they said about Rice, and then people said they shouldn't have been suspended...right. Like XM really needed the publicity if they didn't. They still bring up the church sex thing. If they were smart, they'd try to distance themselves from the comments alone. It just shows a history of offensive material. And the show is too disjointed in the way it is run now anyway. 3 hours of basically playing to the free audience, and then at 9am I always hear them say the want to keep going on KRock, and then they finally end and go to the audience that supported them when they weren't able to be on free radio. Makes no sense to me. I guess that's why I'm not a fan. (even if I'm stuck listening for an hour at work, so I do know what I hear.)

I think you and me got the same impression of these guys. It's not that I find much offensive, but I don't find shallow "shock" statements funny, you need some comedic talent. Do anything you have to for the joke, but have a joke.

Don't get me wrong, I like Gilbert too, but sometimes he just becomes an idiot. A long while ago him and Artie just started using the n-word constantly, without context, for about thirty minutes. At first they had the premise of "Who's on first? Who'se on second?" but that fell flat and they just kept going on and on. Even Howard told them to shut up, but Gilbert was too hyped up. I'm not even offended by the n-word (what a heroic thing of a white guy to say huh?) but have a premise.

And imagine the material if Florentine closes the deal on Robin! I'd actually go to a hack pack show for that.

Basically you guy are sissies and can't understand how dark comedy or cringe humor can be funny. I bet you don't think cancer or aids should ever be in a joke either. Some people find that stuff funny. Sorry, but it doesnt mean they are bad people.

What's the worst thing about having sex with your brother?

Blood in the diaper.

See that's dark humour, as is Doug Stanhope doing a set on his girlfriend's abortion. O&A are two guys saying whatever they can think of without a comedic structure. I'm done with this string now since the O&A offer nothing but flaming posts. Sorry, not a sissy here and not writing bullshit. I would have liked to know about that cake I saw getting stamped, but nothing's coming.

Basically you guy are sissies and can't understand how dark comedy or cringe humor can be funny. I bet you don't think cancer or aids should ever be in a joke either. Some people find that stuff funny. Sorry, but it doesnt mean they are bad people.

YOU GOT THE AIDS, CUE Gilbert laugh.

Basically you guy are sissies and can't understand how dark comedy or cringe humor can be funny. I bet you don't think cancer or aids should ever be in a joke either. Some people find that stuff funny. Sorry, but it doesnt mean they are bad people.

A 10 year old and a pedophile are walking into the woods, The 10 year old says "I'm scared", Pedo say " your scared, I have to walk out of here by my self" as told on the Howard Stern Show

•NorCalMurph
As someone who has a loved one going through battling cancer currently, I can still laugh at a good cancer joke, if it's tasteful. Not just hit me over the face and be offensive to be offensive. I know dark humor. I love dark humor. I've seen Jim Norton's stand-up. It's smart and funny. On that show it's different since o&a just throw logs on the fire that aren't funny. o&a are just tasteless about the jokes sometimes. But, to each his own.

Florentine would have so many jokes he could do for the roasts, his appearnces and actually just in general about being the only one to get Robin in that whole show. Could be really really good radio next time he's in. And you're right about the N-word (and isn't N-word the same things as basically saying the N-word?) flying around with Gilbert. It does snowball out of control. Racial humor is hilarious in pointing out how silly racism is. I don't get the whole 'some people can say this word, some can't' thing. But, again, too much is just too much no matter who's doing it. And I agree, enough hating on this thread.

Here you go, RoadRunner:

http://www.musicradio77.com/wwwboard//messages/319998.html

WXKR Mornings (6AM-10AM)

"M18-34 was 6.2 4th place winter to 8.0 3rd place spring
M18-49 was 4.3 5th place winter to 6.8 2nd place spring
M25-54 was 3.6 5th place winter to 6.3 2nd place spring"

But wait, that's not #1, is it?

That's right, because O&A aren't on until 10AM:

http://www.musicradio77.com/wwwboard//messages/320128.html

"By the way, From 6AM to 9AM (The time O&A are on the air at WXRK) they are #1 in the male demos. Just something to think about if CBS somehow gets them for that 4th hour."

Now, feel free to go fuck yourself.

I was in DC for Ron & Fez... great show, and great to see the buddays in person. Many thanks to Wicklin for putting together such a smooth gig with both O&A and R&F there at the same time.

•JckMyrhffr If Howard brings in 1 million subs that (at best if you are not considering those who get discounts for subscribing for a year) is $155,400,000 per yr, but on the low end the average cost of keeping a subscriber and servicing that sub is $111.00 per sub according to equity stock analysis in Mid May.

So hire Stern for $100,000,000 and bring in 1 million subs which will cost $111,000,000. That is a cost of $211,000,000 minus the $155,400,000 of revenue brought in is a net loss of $55,600,000 on any street.

ALSO, do not judge comedy and where it comes from. I have lost people due to cancer, obesity, AIDS, crime, my wife and I have had a miscarriage, my father is an amputee, and I still find things funny. What is safe? Lets Examine:

The Retarded....NO someone may have a retarded child
The Old...NO someone has grandparents
Race...NO someone may get offended because of their "struggle"
Michael Vick situation...NO someone may be a Falcons fan
Cancer...NO a family memeber may have it
AIDS...NO see above
Homosexuality...NO someone may be gay
Women...NO someone may be a woman
Men...NO someone may be a man
Why did the chicken cross the road...NO someone may be a member of ASPCA or PETA
Religion...NO Someone may be a member of a given religion
Bad Sex...NO Someone may have been told they are no good in bed
Sports Teams...NO Someone may be a fan of a given team

See how ridiculous this is. It sucks that cancer touched your family, but guess what almost 1.4 million people have cancer in a given year in this country.
•realwx is a douche. Repeating a new article from a year ago as current proof. That same information was repeated on this board a year ago, it is old info!

@restopro: "the top show in NYC and Satellite Radio"

Say WHAT?? "Top show" by what standards? Your opinion?

The general public beg to differ. Sirius is outselling XM almost three to one. O&A's NYC ratings are limp at best. And their "Traveling Empty Seats Tour" has been a huge flop - tons of front section tickets have remained unsold for each show.

This place has turned into an echo chamber where Stern Fan boys and O&A fan boys just point at each other and say "You suck" All Stern Fan Boys do is spout out "Facts" and prepared talking points that Stern sends them out to say and all O&A fans do is call Stern a sell out and that he is not funny any more.

Do you want to know what is really not fun anymore? Reading posts on Orbitcast that have ANYTHING to do with Howard Stern or O&A...

It is like Coke and Pepsi, Stupids... the point is you can drink Coke even if other people Drink Pepsi. Every one needs to stop being so self important and self involved as if THEY are the chief advocates for either show. Get over yourselves and go and listen to what you want. It is not like a vote is taking palce to choose one or the other.

Shit dicks, all of you.

""By the way, From 6AM to 9AM (The time O&A are on the air at WXRK) they are #1 in the male demos. Just something to think about if CBS somehow gets them for that 4th hour.""

LOL i always love when the quote sub sub numbers like "male demo" or the "18-35 male white middle class demo"

well if you even tried to compair a number to sterns male demo you would need about a 20 point jump from where you are....i remember stern getting 16+ in those demo's.

Lets quote all the numbers

P12+ was 1.9 18th place winter to 2.5 13th place spring

those demo's numbes are nice, but hardly a strong overall showing.

Who saw that coming? "The overall wasn't great" blah blah blah. Typical Stern douche response. And as soon as this comments section is gone, you dummies will start all over again and pretend you never saw the proof you asked for. Or you'll claim it's lies.

Also, you can't read. O&A were #1 in the male demos that were quoted earlier in my post. That means every man from 18 to 54. That's how radio works, genius. Nobody gives a shit about "overall" numbers. That's why Arbitron gives the 12+ numbers away for free to anyone who wants to see them. Besides, the ratings aren't even for us, they are for advertisers. If you're #1, it doesn't really matter by how much. There's nobody ahead of you. And this is is Market #1. Who cares what Stern got back in the 90's? Does a #1 TV show not count now because it didn't pull the numbers that the last episode of M*A*S*H got 20 years ago? Of course not.

You retards bitch and whine for a cite that says O&A were #1, you got it. Game over.

@Jimbo: Not for nothing but I haven't been moderating or deleting any comments. I see several posts from your IP address and all of them have been published, so I'm not really sure where the problem is.

Note that you MUST fill out the "orbitcast" field just above the "POST" button - this is meant as an anti-spam measure since I get bombarded with spam on a constant basis. Without the "orbitcast" filled out, your comment automatically gets junked (which I'll go through and un-junk when I have the chance).

Also, if you post more than 3 links, the system will put your comment in a holding pattern for me to approve. Again, this is an anti-spam measure. I suppose I could turn this off since I have the "orbitcast" thing in place, but I just never thought about it before.

But bottom line: I don't intentionally delete/edit any comments. I believe very strongly in the voice of the community.

JckMyrhffr, you are a pussy who listens to at least an hour a day of a show you claim to hate.

Martin, you are just a pussy of epic proportions.

The two of you are so above filthy humor although you're proud that you're not offended by "the n-word". The word is nigger you fucking PC faggots. If you say the n-word you are humorless, guilty white shitdicks.

Tom C, your pedophile joke is old. I heard it over 10 years ago. I heard it again almost 3 years ago when Jim Norton told it during an old joke segment on O&A. Howard is old, out of touch and unoriginal. Did you enjoy paying for a 10 year old joke that Howie implied he wrote?

hey MikeT dumb shit i said they were nice numbers but NO WHERE IN THE BALL PARK of sterns numbers, his 2000-2005 numbers not mid 90's not 80's 2004, 2005....

sorry his overalls were 6-8 and his 25-54 was 12+ and his male numbers exceeded 16+

http://www.animaux.net/stern/nyc.html

so when you get in that ball park then you can start to claim you are as good as stern. you are still at least 50% if not more behind his numbers in this BLIP...remember winter's numbers? oh wait i know you will just give us that 1 hour excuse even tho its the smallest part of the morning....ho ho freaking ho.

Mike T. I'm not sure I understand the anger, but thanks for the link. One follow-up (if that's allowed)...

I've tried to google this "Ken Williams" who makes the claim about being #1 at your link, but only found an old BBC talent. Can you tell me more about who he is, and why I can trust him to know the hour-by-hour ratings? I apologize if asking why I shouldn't just trust some guy on the internet is out out bounds.

•restopro
I based the Howard on if the number is 'IF' only 1M brought by Howard over at the time of going to Sirius. If you look at it as you are, you're basing it on Noboy else subscribed to hear him. Didn't they credit him at more coming over in the first place? And you don't think he's at least brought in more in the past 1 1/2 years?

The cancer point is just showing that I still find cancer jokes funny, based on somebody else saying I can't find humor in o&a for being dark. I don't find myself reacting at all to what o&a say. No laughs. No cares. You'd think as a 'humor' filled show, jokes or dark humor, they're trying to get some reaction. And it's none from me. The one thing I've noticed is the bashing over the head that o&a do to EVERY joke. That's what got them in trouble with XM. piling on and not being funny. You wasted your time pointing out other stories that are funny, as I do see humor in everything and responded to a ridiculous statemtent made to me.

•Anonymous Coward
I listen to o&a at work, where when I come in at 8am my co-worker has the radio on. Simple as that. I don't have to enjoy it. I just have to respect co-worker. It's not easy to block out a radio in one room that two people share, and I can't exactly go deaf for an hour (as much as I'd like). As far as the N-word goes, I'm sure that the fine people of Orbitcast don't want nigger plastered all over the comment boards. It just looks like you're proud to post it to me. It's more of a respect thing for this place. Ryan works hard to get a lot for people to read about this stuff. It's when you try to be civilized here, you get the most shit.

Great link PNess, did you catch this:

"He returned to the No. 1 spot on morning radio"
"also brought good news for Stern's WXRK (92.3 FM), WAXQ (104.3 FM), WBLS (107.5 FM) and WNEW (102.7 FM), which got up to 2% of the audience for only the second time in 10 years."
"While his ratings are down about 15% from last spring"

So lets see, after building up an audience over 30 years he wasn't #1 before this book, this was his biggest incrtease in 10 years and his ratings are down 15%. Those are really numbers to crow about. And that's a couple years ago, those numbers dwarf what he pulls in today. Give O&A another 15 years and they'll have shattered Sterns numbers. You do realize that they were beating him in afternoon drive before they were pulled off the air for 2 1/2 years right? And that they have the most listened to morning show in the country right now right? And that 12 years into their career (8-9 counting time suspended) that they are doing significantly better than Stern in the same amount of time right?

Now go sit with granny and enjoy some of that nice man Howard.

did i ever say ANYWHERE that he was ALWAYS number one....OR ALWAYS had the best ratings every book?

you are a FOOL if you think for a minute that 15+ years stern was not number one year after year only being beat once in a few books by the news station and a few books by the spanish station.

oh noes the spanish station beat them 2 of the 100 months...i remember those books...really made an impact...yep.

did you see that he was still a 6.0 OVERALL even in second place? Can you say "double standard" i though "overall" book did not matter, but it mattered when he lost to the spanish station, well you might want to go check the spanish station's male book vs sterns that year...lol

sorry i will say it again, O&A are 75% below sterns overall number and well over 50% his sub "male" number....when they come within 10% then i will get down and give you prase as being "better then stern".....till then you are closer to Zero point Zero then you are stern.

Oh gee. Boy was I wrong. This whole thread is chuck full of smart conversation (rolls eyes)

The Squeaky wheel has it 100% correct. These are radio shows, not lifestyles. Get over yourselves and listen to the show you like. These arguments serve no purpose. Go find a life and quit fighting over a stupid goddamn radio show.

•Toonhead
Agreed with you and The Squeaky Wheel. More to the point of no matter what opions anyone has on anything anymore on here, it will be argued by someone.

Ryan, which show do you like best? Take a stand, and put an end to this madness!!!!!
Meow

Ron & Fez in my opinion are easily funnier then Stern and Opie & Anthony. Stern himself is never funny. Without a cast he would be nothing. He’s a whiner and all about himself. Opie & Anthony are pretty bad at times. They use to have there ups at the beginning of there XM reign but went downhill since. Ferrell and Bubba are all around terrible. Especially Bubba. Has to be the worst show on any type of radio. Ron Bennington is hilarious. Stern, Opie, Anthony, Bubba, and whoever else doesn’t even come close.

@NorCalMurph: Nothing I say will put an end to the madness. And that's fine.

The rivalry between "shock jocks" is something that is an integral part of the world of radio. It's because there's passionate fans, and because Stern/O&A/Ron and Fez/Bubba all put out a product that people enjoy on a daily basis. There USED to be rivalries between music DJs, but radio has become so neutered that you'll never see that anymore. There definitely have been some DJ vs DJ tension on satellite radio, but it hasn't reached the level where fans will battle it out on their own.

Fans battling it out against other fans shows that both Stern and O&A are doing something right. There's no "right" answer, just like there's no perfect car (e.g., GM vs Ford) and there's no perfect game system (e.g., PS3 vs Xbox360). But it shows that both products are serving their customers well, and it can't be disputed that both are very popular.

o&a =WGAS

o&a =WGAS

•••PNess: Who is this Stern you speak of? He's some old guy that used to be on the radio, right?

•••RoadRunner: "I've tried to google this "Ken Williams" who makes the claim about being #1 at your link, but only found an old BBC talent. Can you tell me more about who he is, and why I can trust him to know the hour-by-hour ratings? I apologize if asking why I shouldn't just trust some guy on the internet is out out bounds."

And again, who saw that coming? First, deny that O&A are #1. Then when confronted with ratings that say otherwise, go after the source and imply that it's just lies. Spare me your passive aggressive douchery.

The New York Radio Message Board is populated by radio PDs, on-air talent, and plenty of others who have access to the Arbitrons (take a look at who's posting there - if you don't recognize at least a few of the names, you have no business pretending to be even remotely knowledgeable about NYC radio). If anyone were to be so bold as to post fake ratings they would be eaten alive by the board's other members. The moderator can and will take down posts within minutes if they are filled with fabrications.

Ken Williams isn't a good enough source because he's just "some guy on the internet". OK, fine. How about a quote from someone that you might have heard of. Know who Les Moonves is? He runs a little radio company with the initials CBS.

"The returning of Opie and Anthony to New York had a huge impact on our listenership
in the men 25 to 54 demo. We've jumped from fifteenth to second, or 140% since the
show began broadcasting on April 26."
(Les Moonves, 8/3/2006, CBS Q2 2006 Earnings Call)

"After only five months on the air, Opie & Anthony are a force to be reckoned
with during the morning drive. According to newly released summer ratings, they
are number one in men aged 18 to 49 in New York City, up 150% since their arrival."
(Les Moonves, 11/2/2006, CBS Q3 2006 Earnings Call)

Notice the dates. Also note O&A's 12+ ratings had them at 17th and 18th place back then. They are up to 13th now, so why would it come as a surprise that they are still #1 with that same demo?

If I post the link, this message might wind up in the dumper, so put this URL together yourself by removing the spaces.

media. seekingalpha. com/ article/ 19779

Then...go fuck yourself.

150% increase on a Zero pont Zero....hahahahaha

•••Ryan "Fans battling it out against other fans shows that both Stern and O&A are doing something right."

Except the Stern fans are really weak at this whole "battling" thing. They're all well aware that the 0.0 thing isn't even true, but Stern harped on it for a week. That in itself is amusing, since Stern fans like to say how "all O&A do is talk about Stern". Stern's so irrelevant these days that O&A don't even bother to make fun of him anymore, but Howard took a whole week to talk about the 0.0 lie. As a matter of fact, Howard talks about them on more occasions than they talk about him lately. I guess that shows you how the tides have changed.

While Stern fans have fun reliving the good old days and listening to a washed up radio guy who barely comes into work these days, O&A are the #1 morning show with men in NYC ***NOW***. That's an undisputable fact. They don't cater to women - they don't keep a lady gorilla in a dunking booth to read the news and say "ohhhh, guys" every 30 seconds just to keep the women in the audience listening. Just keep on giggling about 0.0, guys. It's a real hoot knowing a lie is the best you can come up with to insult O&A!

ok assclown..you say " Stern's so irrelevant these days that O&A don't even bother to make fun of him anymore"

THEN WHY THIS, IS HE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IRRELEVANT?

"What do you say Howard, are you with us or are you against us?" Hughes was quoted as saying in the article.

"I'm not spending a minute thinking about you," Stern said in response on his show. "I'm not with you, and I'm not against you. Your biggest 'nemesis' is you. You're fighting with you."

THANK YOU,NOW GO CONTINUE FUCKING YOURSELF

You're right. Stern's for himself. He doesn't care about his fans, his legacy, nothing but $. No wonder his college won't even recognize his accomplishments. Talk to anyone that has any dealings with Howard and they'll tell you the same thing. He is a real shithead. Enjoy the show. He has nothing but contempt for you.

Mike, Thanks...Les Moonves is a good enough source for me. If this had been your first response, it would have been the only one needed.

And for the record I don't pretend "to be even remotely knowledgeable about NYC radio" That's why I ask questions rather than just throwing unsupported assertions out there, despite the effect it seems to have on you. Maybe these strong rating are common knowledge in that community, or at Wackbag, but I had not seen the Moonves quote before.

Ryan, if you think I'm engaging in "passive aggressive douchery" just say the word, and I'll stay out of these threads going forward.

You know Sirius figured half of it's subscribers were listening to Stern during any given show, with one friend/family etc listening in alongside, on average (in magazines this is called "pass-along readership," I'm not sure what it is for radio), how many people are listening to O&A? Let's compare them head to head, paid listeners.

It's pretty obvious Stern brought in a shitload more than 1M subscribers. Sirius only had about what? 800G subscribers before he signed on, now XM has agreed to a merger of equals. "Equals" being Mel takes over the entire company and XM stock dissapears? Very equal...

O&A wanted to charge a $1 extra a month when they started at XM, and I believe XM was cheaper back then. And 43,500 people signed up. Oh but they're number one on the radio right? Meanwhile aren't you looking at New York's numbers? I could be wrong on this last point, but I was right on everything above, but isn't New York where Stern took the biggest percentage of regular radio listeners over to satrad?

I said earlier I would give these guys a listen for variety's sake, but you really can't be serious about them being bigger than Howard.

Seriously, you O&A guys just come on here yelling insults. What do you expect? We're going to yell back? Somehow type louder? Meanwhile, this all started with us trying to discuss YOUR show fairly.

Just by surveying them comments, Stern fans are clearly smarter.

Seriously, you O&A guys just come on here yelling insults. What do you expect? We're going to yell back? Somehow type louder? Meanwhile, this all started with us trying to discuss YOUR show fairly.

Just by surveying them comments, Stern fans are clearly smarter.

Martin, where did you get the O&A $1 subscriber numbers? I would be interested to see them. It seems like both companies keep actual listener numbers close to the vest, and only say "one of our most popular shows." Instead of saying at such and such time 1 million people were listening to this channel.

Sirius reported last year how many subscribers listen to Stern, Bubba and Breuer. And when XM launched O&A, they tried to charge $1 per listener per month, not unlike what they tried with Playboy, and it was a total, immediate flop.

Sir I asked where did you get those numbers? Not how many people subscribe to listen to shows.... I want to know how many people are listenting on average to a particalur show at any give time. Do you have that information or did you just make up 43.500 people paid to listen for one dollar. Round numbers always give me doubts.

•••NorCalMurph: Martin made up his numbers. That's what Stern fans do. They lie. The truth is as alien to them as it is to Stern himself. Martin couldn't even get the cost of their premium channel right - how do you expect he got anything else right?

O&A themselves DID NOT want to have a premium attached to their show. They knew from the beginning that they didn't have the national name awareness required to pull off a pay-as-you-go show. And they knew it would take more than a casual listen for someone to get into their show. Because of their reputation XM insisted that they be on premium so nobody could stumble across the show accidentally.

They fought for months to get off the premium channel and bitched about it on the air many times. It took half a year before XM realized that advertisers weren't afraid of the show. That and the fact that new subscribers to their High Voltage channel (at $1.99/month, Martin, you dummy) would increase dramatically after any of the various teaser free plays of their show.

So, the burning question is: how many people signed up for their show while it was still a premium channel?

In an article dated 9 days after they premiered on XM, we find the answer: 200,000. Not bad for a show with no national name and no real advertising campaign, right?

http://www.freetimes.com/stories/12/25/media-john-gorman-stern-gets-sirius

"To hear their show, XM subscribers must sign up for a premium station, which adds a couple of bucks to their $9.98 monthly subscription. XM claims that 200,000 subscribers signed up for O & A, which translates to $400,000 per month — $4.8 million in additional revenue per year for XM, with a piece of that action to O & A."

So now that we've established Martin as a loser lying assfuck with a painfully obvious agenda, the next burning question is "How many people are listening **NOW**"?

Well, I haven't heard anything more recent than last September when the suit in charge of programming (Eric Logan, EVP at XM) was in studio and claimed it was more than 4 million and that a good case could be made for 5 million.

I'd make the effort to post the audio, but you lying sacks of cunt have real short memories and you'll be here next week spreading the same lies all over again, so I'm not going to bother (that's why I gave you such a hard time, RoadRunner - it gets tiring explaining things to some of these thickheaded imbeciles time and time again, only to have them "forget" the truth within hours of being exposed to it).

•NorCalMurph- (To back up the paying to hear O&A, and it not going over so well. Which is on Wikipedia...and I know you pests hate that site for anything that's related to the show, because it's edited by users. Which I'm assuming is fine for looking up anything non-o&a related, because that stuff's ok. Just don't mess with the boys.)...
"Opie and Anthony returned to the air on October 4, 2004 exclusively for XM Satellite Radio after two years off the air. Initially, the show was offered to XM subscribers at a premium cost of $1.99 a month, to which they encountered some resistance. In April 2005, "High Voltage" became part of the basic XM subscription. There are no numbers available with respect to the number of premium subscribers. Hughes gave some indication, however, when he told the Long Island press in 2006, "we went from having a show that was syndicated in 17 major markets to having a few thousand."

Sounds real successful.

But, aren't o&a basically getting me hand me down markets that Stern set up over his career?...and he left behind so he could give his fans a show that's not censored. Only had a couple million fans that followed, and were willing to pay $12.95 a month...compared to Opie saying they had a few thousand that were willing to pay $2. If you want to get technical, he handed basically the same market to David Lee Roth, before o&a...and if that wasn't an actualy attempt at replacing Stern, they wouldn't have given him as much cash as they did. And as milk toast as that show was, it was more original that o&a. I love that fact that I'm not a fan of o&a, I hear the show and know what they say from being forced to listen for an hour at work, I know what I hear isn't funny, point out why if they're doing hack bits all the time it's hack radio...and I get shit from o&a fanboys for pointing out why it sucks in the hour I listen. And the arguements I get back are 'o&a do hack bits to point out why hack radio sucks'...rock scream tuesday, give me a break. Long distance phone call...whatever. Pronouncing words like morons...stop me if you're laughing too hard.

I could care less about this fight anymore on this thread, as another will come along soon.

•••Martin: "You know Sirius figured half of it's subscribers were listening to Stern during any given show"
---wrong. An unnamed third-party research firm figured, as of September 2006, that 58% of Sirius's subscribers tuned in at least once a week, either during the live show or one of the many repeats. That's completely not the same as half listening during any given show. It's not even remotely close to the same. This was reported here on Orbitcast:

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/how-many-listeners-does-howard-stern-have.html

•••Martin: "Sirius reported last year how many subscribers listen to Stern, Bubba and Breuer."

Well, back that up, champ. Let's see the numbers and a source*. You're not exactly overwhelming me with your track record thus far. The Orbitcast report above gives Howard about 5 million listeners and the claim from the Executive Vice President of Programming at XM gives O&A about 5 million listeners. Tie-break goes to the show with at least another million listeners on free radio (and this extra million was back when their ratings were a lower than they are now):

http://www.talkers.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=34

Sorry, Martin. You get nothing. You lose. Good day, sir.

*We won't be seeing any valid source from Martin. That's 100% guaranteed, because he's wrong. He'll either ignore this completely and hope nobody notices (Stern fan tactic #1), or disappear completely (Stern fan tactic #2).

•••JckMyrhffr: Opie was joking, just like when they came to WNEW in 1998 and they said they had 6 listeners.