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XM's post-merger line up

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And along with the Sirius post-merger line up, here's the XM version. Pretty much the same concept (makes sense since they're merging) as Sirius' line up, but with the appropriate XM channels.

XM Post-Merger Channel Line Up

Again, the reason why you see "Select Sirius" channels is because the content agreements likely haven't been fully negotiated yet. Another difference that many will notice (and already have noticed) is the pricing of each services' shock jocks. Howard Stern is priced at an additional $6 while O&A are at $3.

Though note that Oprah is priced at $3 and XM's Sports Package is priced at $6, while Sirius' Sports Package is priced at $5.

Either way, that's not the point. Check out the rest of XM's post-merger line up after the jump...

XM Post-Merger Channel Line Up

XM Post-Merger Channel Line Up

XM Post-Merger Channel Line Up

XM Post-Merger Channel Line Up

XM Post-Merger Channel Line Up

XM Post-Merger Channel Line Up

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Ryan...I don't mean to be an asshole, but is there a place to view these either as plain text or in HTML format? I CAN use Adobe, but like many here, I'm not sure I want to scroll through 100+ pages of documents just to find the info, and unfortunately, my screen reader doesn't do well with graphics. :) I'm definitely interested to see both companies' post-merger line-ups.

Again, not complaining...You know I love the site over all.

I love how it says the current price for XM and Sirius (select) is $25.90. Last time I checked you get way more channels when you subscribe to both of them for that price. It makes you think you are getting a deal but really you are only getting 10 Sirius channels and not all of them like you would if you did pay the $25.90.

You got it Wes. I definitely will setup a text-only version for screenreaders and others alike. I'm a huge proponent of accessibility, so I should be doing this anyway. :)

So I guess at some point down the road, three or five years, once almost all radios are capable of getting all channels, they're sure to do some combining, right? It doesn't seem like we're losing anything on XM to make room for the Sirius channels that will be available. W

Wait-- I take that back... where's the System? I can't see anything else off the top of my head... too distracted 'working'.

Anyway, my original point was surely at some point they'll at least do some combining of the Traffic and Weather channels, right? Seems like an utter and complete waste if you have a dual-receiver.

$6 for sports as part of A La Carte I is stupid. Brings the price of the package up to $12.99, where a nickel less will get you XM Everything.

Awesome...Thanks.

And to Anonymous Coward: I totally agree...$25.90 for both would give me, what, about 320 channels or something? Whereas the "Best of" package with all of my current XM channels is the $16.95 plan, so I'd be essentially be paying $4 more a month than I am now...That wouldn't be bad, if I actually got about a third of Sirius's channels instead of, what, a fifteenth, if they're only offering ten channels?

I almost think the best bet at this point would be for the merger to happen, but for them to come out with the receiver capable of receiving both XM and Sirius, and if you're an XM subscriber already, you get your Sirius for maybe $6, and if you're a Sirius subscriber, you add the XM line-up to the same radio for the same $6. Then, for $18.95, you get all the channels you wouldn't had to pay $25.90 for. I know it'll never happen, but it's a thought.

I don't get this entire merger now. They are acting like they are going to be two seperate companies after the merger... when in reality they are going to be one combined company.

Are XM channels such as the 80's going to be advertising they are better then Sirius version of the 80's?

Wasnt a major part of this to combine resources and cut costs? So why is XM running an 80's channel and Sirius is running its own 80's channel where are the saving there?

I was undecided on my feeling of this merger, and now I must admit that I am AGAINST the merger.

Looking at the information posted above, added to the fact that I already subscribe to both XM and Sirius it means my bill is going UP to have everything from both services. Someone please tell me how thats going to benefit the consumer.

Is it any fifty or their top fifty?? What I mean is do we get to choose from all the XM lineup or is there a limited selection.. Some channels could effectively be shut down for lack of interest.. There is your true ratings guage...

>>> I don't get this entire merger now. They are acting like they are going to be two seperate companies after the merger... when in reality they are going to be one combined company.

This, precisely, is the problem the merger faces. It is idiotic on its face, and the only reason it is happening is because that is the only way Karmazin can see that he can squeeze more money out of the atrocious deal Sirius made for Howard Stern. Make no mistake, Stern is a driving force behind the merger.

At a cost of nearly a billion dollars over five years, which will amount to 15%, maybe more, of SIRI's gross revenue for the period, they have got to find a way to make the Stern Asset pay (The cost of Stern is approaching the cost of SIRi's satellite infrastructure). Since he was hired, SIRI's losses have done nothing but increase -- first to 863M then to 1.1 Billion -- and you simply cannot point to any cause other than Stern. Now, retail is dropping like a rock -- Stern is inherently an asset designed to attract retail subs -- not OEMs. The bottom line is they have a huge underperforming asset in Stern that they need to leverage. There's only one way to do it (Stern refuses to return to terrestrial) -- and that is to get him on XM.

The other so-called "synergies" aren't there -- they will have to maintain totally separate infrastructures for years to come.

Anyone experienced in financial matters can read David Frear's remarks in the documents posted yesterday concerning synergies and immediately see how weak it is. While he loosely claims "hundreds of millions", he goes on to provide a laundry list of so-called savings -- few of which can be substantiated. He claims they will save on Interest expense (because they'll have a better credit rating. No shit, he said that.) He said they'll save on depreciation, yet, they'll still have pretty much all the depreciable assets. He said they'll save on OEM charges, because OEM's customers will like the 10 new channels so much they'll increase the conversion rate!!! Weak, weak, weak.

The funniest one is that they expect to save money on the call centers. CAN YOU IMAGINE THE IDIOTS AT THE CALL CENTERS SORTING OUT PEOPLES BILLS WHO WERE CHARGED 25 CENTS FOR CHANNEL 16 THEY DIDN'T WANT? Or trying to figure out which of the 8 plans the callers are on? Call center costs are NOT coming down, guys.

In fairness, there could be 50M/year in savings from advertising. But the added costs of trying to combine two totally incompatible technologies will make short work of it.

This merger is idiotic.

> This merger is idiotic

Is an asinine comment. It's based on economies of scale, competition for secured talent, and lowering the cost of subscriber acquisition. I would bet money, and a lot of it, if the merger doesn't go through you will see 1 if not both of these companies swallowed up whole within 6 to 12 months.

Unlike telecom companies (read -> baby bells) neither Sirius or XM has the ongoing or established subcriber base to grow an entirely new line of business without an established customer base in place which supports forays in business sectors that are hyper-competitive. It would have been much better for the gov't to have setup the market with more than 2 competitors at the start and to establish ground rules like shared satellite services (may wireless telco's in parts of the world do this) and then compete on service offerings to the customer head units. The US gov't set this industry up to be what it is, then the players took the only paths they could.

BTW, If you fret about pricing now or what might come with a combined sirius/xm entity, you may want to worry allot more when 1 or both are gobbled up by Clearchannel, CBS, Verizon, Disney, or AT&T. Get ready to bend over...

so has anyone figured out which channels get dropped post-merger? Im too lazy to do it....

>> It's based on economies of scale, competition for secured talent, and lowering the cost of subscriber acquisition.

None of which is improved by the merger. These businesses, with 7M+ subs, are now operating essentially "at-scale". When you go from 7M to 15M, I'm not sure what economies you think there will be but they aren't much.

The talent is all locked into long-term contracts (other than Oprah, which I believe will be history at the end of 3 years). The only massively overpaid talent is Stern, and Sirius bid 3/4 to a billion for him without anyone even bidding against them (XM was not willing to go over 25-30M/year, and somehow, Stern's agent managed 150M/y out of Sirius). And the cost of subscriber acquisition -- who knows -- yes there will be some savings in advertising, but there will also be increased costs which will offset it. I believe XM's media budget last year was about $50M -- not even enough to cover the cost of the merger.

This merger is based on two things only -- SIRI's desperation accompanied by XM's inability to resist the pressure from Wall Street.

"so has anyone figured out which channels get dropped post-merger? Im too lazy to do it.... "


I don't think any channels are being dropped for awhile. Otherwise the option Everything XM or Sirius wouldn't be available. Which is what I like. I don't want my XM channels being dropped for Sirius stations I don't really like.

>>> I don't want my XM channels being dropped for Sirius stations I don't really like.

Then you had better get ready -- I don't think for a minute that all the dropped channels are going to be Sirius channels. Great candidates for removal:

Pick 1 from each pair:

XM 60s - Sirius 60s
XM 70s - Sirius 70s
XM 80s - Sirius 80s
XM Deeptracks - Sirius Vault
XM Bluesville - Sirius Blues
XM X-Country - Sirius Outlaw Country
XM The Loft - Sirius Coffeehouse
XM Classics - Sirius Symphony Hall
XM VOX - Sirius Met
XM Pops - Sirius Pops

The list goes on. When the merger is over the combined channel count starts shrinking on day one. A year or two down the road, we have none of the diversity we were promised, we half SIrius and half XM.

Sad.

Wait, so the whole point of the merger is no longer a point? I was for the merger so I would be able to have my XM music, but listen to the NFL. So if the A La Carte only lets me pick 10 Sirius channels, then what is the point? If this current setup isn't majorly overhauled, most subscribers, including me, will be TICKED OFF! Don't make yourselves an ass, satellite radio, do the smart thing, make the customer HAPPY!

>>> Wait, so the whole point of the merger is no longer a point? I was for the merger so I would be able to have my XM music, but listen to the NFL.

This is not going to happen. Even if they could get the deal worked out with NFL, there is not enough bandwidth available to make this happen.

Mel said this week, "Hopefully some NFL on XM". But the reality is that at best they can put up a game or two -- and even then only if they can cut a deal with NFL for it.

Maybe some people will begin to wake up to what the merger is and is not. It is NOT a way for you to get Sirius sports on XM or vice versa -- at least, not anytime soon. 10 years from now? Sure, probably so.

Hoo Hoo, Stackpointer. I'm worth 2 billion dollars, not 1 billion. Just ask Mel. Hoo Hoo.

I need a raise. Hoo Hoo

God damn it, Hoo Hoo. I told you not to mention that raise until after the merger. I expect my usual 30% kick-back. D'oh! I was supposed to think that, not type it. Fuck it!

Hoo-ray! We're gonna be RICH-er!

Probably obvious, but the ala carte requires "next generation" receivers. So, any idea when these new receivers will be available? I was hoping to be able to mix some of sirius channels with xm's in the ala carte but they are not showing which of the 11 select I can choose from.

My guess it will be another year before a "next generation" receiver will be available. Like stackpointer said, I bet those redundant channels go away during that time.

Hoo Hoo, Mel, it's even better than that. After the merger, I can take credit for all the XM subscriptions on top of all of the Sirius subscriptions.

I brought 'em all in, Hoo Hoo.

I invented subscriptions.

That's it. No more. I'm now against the merger. I never thought I would ever agree with the NAB, but all the perks we thought we were going to get are now GONE! I thought the whole point of the merger was to have the MLB and NFL available on one platform? Now that that scenario is gone, what's the point? The merger doesn't benefit the customer anymore, in fact, it will make it worse with all these new plans to keep track of. The customer service is already bad, now it'll be HORRIBLE. For those who are sticking to what they have now, this new merged company will bombard us with ads saying we should get this new plan. NO THANKS! I'm against the merger, and unless we can work it out where we can get the NFL available to current XM listeners, I'll still be against the merger. Congrats Mel, you just killed your public opinion, showed yourself as an idiot, and TICKED OFF every current current customer. BRILLIANT!

Play-by-Play is not available 'ala carte'!

One of the reasons I have been in support of the merger was so that I could 'ala carte' the play-by-play sports. I have XM and I listen to baseball a lot, I wanted the ala carte for the Sirius NFL play-by-play.

Based on the lineups proposed by both XM and Siruius, the Play-by-Play is NOT available ala carte... you still need to have 2 separate subscriptions to get the 'Play-By-Play package of both.

I now see no advantage, for me anyway, for the merger.

Bob

I'm assuming play-by-play couldn't really be ala carte since it's not like certain teams always play on the same channels.

The Play-By-Play is a 'set' of channels so they could be ala carte like other groupings.

The Play-By-Play is a 'set' of channels so they could be ala carte like other groupings.

Multiple receivers: I am currently paying XM about $21 a month for four receivers. I can't see paying $12.95 per receiver after the merger ($51.80 total.) How can they call this a bargain? Why would I be in favor of a merger looking at this prospectus?

Anyone else notice that most (all?) of the XL channels are considered "Premium Music"? Why should I have to pay more for un-edited content?

It's funny they come up with this bullshit AFTER the FCC comment filing ends...

Weasel,

Because it will line my pockets with extra money. Hoo Hoo

I need another bathroom for my mansion.

Fuck that. I need another mansion. Hoo Hoo

send 0.0 back to FM permanently!They ran back to it (always gotta follow what howard does)they can rot in it

FRRRRRRUNKIS!!!!!!!!!

Open your eyes folks. This is all smoke & mirrors and bait & switch.

"A la carte" is a joke. Who is going to want it when they see what it excludes? Once you add what you want, you are right back at $12.95. This is classic bait & switch.

Anyone who wants all of XM plus all of Sirius will still have to purchase both. The best you can do in one XM service is something calkled "XM + Select Sirius". The "Select Sirius" is 11 "top channels". Of course these are as yet not defined. Will they include "Premiums" or "Super Premiums"? Who knows. Here is a question: Are they going to give you Howard & sports for just an additional $4? I doubt it.

When they get around to defining what "Select Sirius" (or, for that matter, "Select XM"), I will take another look, Until then, I don't see any reason for an existing user to expect anything from this merger.

"so has anyone figured out which channels get dropped post-merger? Im too lazy to do it....

This was brought up on XM411, I have noticed that The System is removed from the XM everything lineup. Now I am vehemently against the merger.

You merger supporters just dug your own grave thinking that you'll get the MLB on sirius and the NFL on XM, now that it is no longer the case, I wonder how you people would live with yourselves if the merger passes.

It is a good thing that I filed as 'Neutral' during the FCC comment period, because I knew something suspicious was going on. Too bad I am vastly outnumbered.

..More than anything else, I think Mel made a bet that he could force a monopoly.. Plain and simple.. And when this merger is aproved, look for him to write a book on how they did it, including greasing the skids, if you know what I mean... (payola, promises, you know?? shit he has no intention of keeping, promise wise)...

And 20 on 20 is going to be a “premium” channel? Gimme a break!

Thanks to everyone for their compelling points made on this thread. Good stuff to read.

This may be a great business move to impress Wall Street, but it’s a lousy customer move. I’m afraid after being a fan for several years, it will be (unfortunately) “Bye bye satellite radio” if this merger takes place – I’ll listen to my CDs!

...And why has Lee Abrams been silent on the merger? Quite unusual for a man so expressive and opinionated!

I would gladly pay $0.0, for Unfunny & Aintfunny.

So no NFL??? NBA??? The other college teams Sirius has???? Then what's the point for me???? I don't care about more music channels, they are basically the same thing anyway.

Uhmmmm I don't have Satellite Radiuo but was thinking baout getting one. Now I see my favorite Channel on XM won't make it throught the merger..... You mean Arthouse music is going to make it but "The System" isn't? It's the only XM channel I listen to on Direct TV. That really blows. Oh well Guess I'll have to listen to Armin Van Buuren's A State of Trance Elsewhere and those guys won't get my money. Besides the future isn't in broadcast anyway it's in streaming and ON-Demand Listening.

If a merger goes thru, then we can have 3 time's as many sat-rad channels. If this merge goes thru, mean Dish and DirecTV may consider a merge too. David Rehr is creating many hurdle's for satellite radio and satellite tv, for future 2008 attack's for localise protecting cable tv and broadcaster's. National Association of Broadcaster's wouldn't careabout satellite providers, only to protect local operation. Merry Christmas

I am totally thrown off by and confused by the 11 top selections from the other radio (both XM and Sirius have this)...

Is it you choose up to 11 channels of the other sat radio?
Is it 11 channels that THEY choose for you to choose from???


The fist option is limiting, but livable... (I'm ignoring the fact that one has to get the ala cart II just to get the other sat rad).

The second is terribble.. what are the odds that the stations I want will be in the top 11?

The second also seem sadly likely as they us the same top 11 number in the XM all + select Sirius


And lastly, there is NO plan to get all of both.

This merger will require a new radio if you want the bundled packages. I hope that the price stays the same and that all the good stuff comes to both radio's without buying anything new.
If we all need new radio's, this idea will fail!

This merger will require a new radio if you want the bundled packages. I hope that the price stays the same and that all the good stuff comes to both radio's without buying anything new.
If we all need new radio's, this idea will fail!

This merger will require a new radio if you want the bundled packages. I hope that the price stays the same and that all the good stuff comes to both radio's without buying anything new.
If we all need new radio's, this idea will fail!

I can save $3 a month, keep my beloved and talented 0.0 and get rid of all the crap music and by crap I do mean Christian, Country, Hip-Hop, Pop, & Gay Broadway! Thank you for merging! Woo-hoo-hoo!

Cutting stations may save money but its going to hurt customers. If they drop Squizz for Octane I cancel. It wont happen right away but hopefully not at all. Same goes for any other music channel I listen too. The DJ's on Octane annoy me to no end and makes it unlistenable at times. Some of Sirius's music stations just suck. But to give Sirius creadit, Sirius Patroit 144 is fantastic. As well as NFL radio. Just they way they run there music stations annoy me. That is what really concerns me about this merger.

Stop whining!!! Boo hoo. I want NFL. I want MLB.
For the merger to be approved, it's not required to make things better for existing subscribers to either XM or Sirius. As long as it doesn't harm customers, the merger is okay. The post-merger prices are the same or less, and you get the same channels or more.
Pre merger and post merger, if you want all the sports, you need to pay for both services. Just because the merger isn't getting you something for free is no reason to fight it.
The good news of the merger is that future receivers will support the full spectrum of satelite broadcast. Eventually, you will be able to get ALL channels and ALL sports on the same receiver at a reasonable price (i.e., less than paying for two separate services).
Bottom line: Merger will make things slightly better initially and a lot better in the long run.

As long as BMP is left alone, im perfectly fine..whooo

So if this merger is going to happen?? What should i do? i already have xm in one car thought about getting another for my other car. Should i get xm or go with sirius??

Reading this, if the merger is approved by the FCC and everything gets settled with the two companies, I actually wouldn't mind having only a couple of NFL games per week on XM. Ideally what I would like to see which could happen is one or two games starting at 10 AM pacific, one or two games starting at 1 PM pacific and maybe some of the prime time games.

WIll there be an option to listen to NFL games if you originally had a XM only radio?

I just reviewed the packages and I'm not seeing Laugh USA on there. Has anyone heard why this hasn't been included?

Yes, the line up is missing Laugh USA and the System. I liked Laugh USA because it gave you classic comedians like Bob Newhart. Also, I find potty mouth comedians tedious - the XL comedy channels, to me, are all sex and drug humor. The System will be missed by me - it was great driving music.

Yes, the line up is missing Laugh USA and the System. I liked Laugh USA because it gave you classic comedians like Bob Newhart. Also, I find potty mouth comedians tedious - the XL comedy channels, to me, are all sex and drug humor. The System will be missed by me - it was great driving music.

Another fan of The System, here. I just bought a subscription based on that station. I hadn't even heard of the merger and previously knew nothing about satellite radio until my new car came with it. If they take it away, I will be very sad, but thankful that I only bought it for one year.

What the fvck?! I think we need to get a petition going to restore the BEST electronic dance music channel on XM: THE SYSTEM! Why the hell wasn't THE MOVE cancelled instead? I think I'm going to cancel my XM sub now.

This was the ONLY channel that I listened to on a consistent basis. I guess its back to CDs and DVD-As...

I m out.....already fighting with XM on subsciption payments ........ 6 friggin radios

Why are the channels for the weather and traffic now paired instead of separate?